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3306 Engine Oil Synthetic or Standard SAE 30 ?

Zembo

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I'm planning my 1st oil change on my recently acquired D6D.

What is the best to use, a Synthetic Oil or Standard 30?

If Synthetic, what would you recommend?


My Location is Atlanta, Ga.

1978 Cat D6D
Serial Number 03x00729
Engine 3306
Transmission Direct Drive 2P1519
 

IceHole

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Synthetic is a waste of money on an engine as old as your IMHO.
I run it in everything, but I get T6 5w40 Rotella for about $20 a gallon. Helps when it's -30* too.

Delo 15w40 is about the same price.
 

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I run it in everything, but I get T6 5w40 Rotella for about $20 a gallon. Helps when it's -30* too.

Delo 15w40 is about the same price.
I think you should declare your interest in that you work for an oil distributor. For most normal people a synthetic is not a logical choice financially.

The OP is based in Georgia where I suspect the temperature never gets down to +30 let alone -30.
 

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I think you should declare your interest in that you work for an oil distributor. For most normal people a synthetic is not a logical choice financially.

I get it from Amazon
 

Zembo

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We may get a week or so in the upper 20's. But below 40, I'm probably not working those days. The engine a have is fairly strong, and I hope it will last a long time. To that end I'm open to using a synthetic or not... ?
 

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We may get a week or so in the upper 20's. But below 40, I'm probably not working those days. The engine a have is fairly strong, and I hope it will last a long time. To that end I'm open to using a synthetic or not... ?
Hell below 40 is nice working weather, maybe not the 30 and below.
 

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I would never put synthetic in a older engine and i would really think about using it in a newer one . Sometimes new and old tec dont work well together . Its to much of a experiment putting it in a older engine .
 

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Your 3306 was designed to use an oil that meets API oil categories, CC, CD, CD-II, and CF.
These are known as "detergent" oils and contain multiple additives to assist with the oils lubricating performance.
These oil categories have been in use since around 1960, but are now classed as "obsolete" because the newer categories produced since category CF, have replaced them.
All newer and current API oil categories are "backwards compatible" with older oil categories.

Synthetic oils have become popular in recent years because of their superior performance under harsher operating conditions.
The major difference between synthetic lube oils and regular lube oils is that the base oil for regular lube oils is refined by distillation from individual batches of crude oil - while synthetic oils are produced via "catalytic cracking", whereby a catalyst is used to create a cleaner and more desirable base oil.

Individual crudes differ greatly in the level of undesirable chemical ingredients and steps must be taken in refining to reduce, refine out, or chemically alter the undesirable ingredients in the crude that affect the performance of the final product.

Crude oils are blended from various sources and countries to try and reduce the impact of the undesirable chemicals in the raw crude.

As a result, there is always some level of undesirable chemicals in the base oil produced from straight refining - whereas the base oil from catalytic cracking is purer and has virtually no undesirable chemicals in it.

This base oil, used to produce synthetic lube oils, is essentially "tailored" in its production to achieve a highly desirable level of hydrocarbons that makes a superior-performing oil.

Base oils, regardless of their origin, are then modified again with at least 7 additives. The main additives are:

Anti-oxidants
Rust and Corrosion Inhibitors.
Viscosity Index Improvers.
Anti-wear (AW) Agents.
Extreme Pressure (EP) Additives.
Detergents.
Dispersants.
Anti-foaming Agents.

Straight grade oils are very basic oils, and can't cope with big variations in temperature.
Multi-grade oils have "viscosity improvers" added so the oil can keep a steady viscosity over a wider temperature range.

Viscosity improvers added to oil are long-chain polymers that have the curious property of becoming more viscous when cold, and thickening up when hot.

This is the opposite of oils properties, so the VI's enable the oil to stay thicker when it's hot, and to help stop it getting really thick, when it's cold.

Synthetic oils are "high performance" oils and they are designed to cope with a much wider range of harsh operating conditions than regular refined oils.
They also have higher levels of additives, and in particular, potent detergents, designed to keep high performance engines operating under heavy loads and harsh conditions, clean.

Since the advent of low-emission engines, piston and ring design has altered to allow more pollutants to go down past the rings and into the oil - rather than out the exhaust into the atmosphere.

This results in lube oils designed for use in low-emission engines needing a lot more additives and higher levels of detergents, to cope with the additional pollutant load.

The important part to keep in mind when selecting an oil for an older engine is whether the oil has a high level of detergents and other additives that will strip out beneficial carbon buildup in the older engine - and damage older seals that are often hardened and less flexible.

Beneficial carbon deposits assist in ring sealing and in oil seal sealing in older engines - so if you strip these out with a current variety of high performance lube oil, you will start to see increased oil consumption, increased blowby and more oil leaks.

Finally, the synthetic oils cost more because catalytic cracking is an expensive process, as compared to straight refining.

My choice would be to use a multi-grade oil, such as 15W-40, which covers a good temperature range for your region, and to select an API grade that is CH-4 or older (some manufacturers still produce CD, CE and CF grade oils) - and keep away from synthetic oils that are unnecessarily expensive for your older tractor.

It would be advisable to try and find out what oil category was previously used in your tractor, so you don't replace it with a more potent one, that is going to essentially "clean out" the inside of your engine, and cause problems.

 

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You will find more external leaks in an old engine and it will probably burn more if you use fully synthetic oil. I used synthetic in one of my old engines for cold starting at -30C but it used more and leaked more than when i used conventional 15W-40 during the summer. But, it definitely started easier at -30C:)
 

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Let me ask you this. How many hours/year do you expect the machine to operate.?
No answer to this question, but here's my take FWIW...........

The engine oil change frequency recommended in the O&M Manual is "Every 250 Service Hours or Monthly". Working on the premise that you're not going to be clocking 250 hours/month then you will be on calendar-based oil changes rather than hours. Even if you stretch the oil changes to every 2 months or even 3, I'm guessing that the oil you drain will have very few operating hours on it. Based on all the foregoing, why would you even consider an expensive synthetic oil.? All you're doing is pouring money down a black hole.

I'd second the comments above from @OzDozer and @56wrench as well. My call would be for some SAE 15W/40, probably API-rated either CF-4 or CG-4. Heck even a CD-rated oil (as recommended by the 03X-prefix D6D O&M Manual) would do the job if you could find one.
 
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I was working as a mechanic for a Cummins dealer in the mid 80's when 15-40 came out. Cummins published a booklet called "A Technical Overview Of Oil Consumption" It was required reading for all the mechanics. I don't recall the details but 15-40 oil was brought out to address oil consumption. According to Cummins single viscosity oils would cause a carbon buildup on the pistons that would lead to polishing the liners which caused increased oil consumption.
The newer SJ CJ oils differ from the CD oils in that they will not damage the DPF if an engine starts burning oil. The CD oils will.
I can't see why you could not use 15-40 in your 3306.
 

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No answer to this question, but here's my take FWIW...........

The engine oil change frequency recommended in the O&M Manual is "Every 250 Service Hours or Monthly". Working on the premise that you're not going to be clocking 250 hours/month then you will be on calendar-based oil changes rather than hours. Even if you stretch the oil changes to every 2 months or even 3, I'm guessing that the oil you drain will have very few operating hours on it. Based on all the foregoing, why would you even consider an expensive synthetic oil.? All you're doing is pouring money down a black hole.

I'd second the comments above from @OzDozer and @56wrench as well. My call would be for some SAE 15W/40, probably API-rated either CF-4 or CG-4. Heck even a CD-rated oil (as recommended by the 03X-prefix D6D O&M Manual) would do the job if you could find one.
I don't know of any outfit that changes oil monthly. Most shops here do 400 or 500 hour OCIs.
 

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For an 'old' engine like your D6D, I would just use a good name brand regular oil and not worry about synthetic. I don't have experience with putting high grade synthetic oil in an older engine as I just use standard oil. I can't validate that adding synthetic oil will cause leaks, additional consumption, etc. but logically it makes sense.
 

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Yes to all the above but I'm assuming the OP (like me and a lot of us on here) is using his old iron about 300-600hrs a year, or about 5-10% the rate of the production folks. If I clock only 300 hours a year (average 25 hrs a month), what % degradation in my oil can I expect from sitting a month with only 25 hours of engine wear/combustion by products/heat/etc.? That's 10% degradation according to 250hrs of time between oil change -- OR -- 100% degradation from time. I think the real amount of degradation is somewhere in between and much closer to 10% than 100%. And it has a lot more to do with weather cycles where moisture/condensation/etc. infiltrate an engine just sitting there. Time and use are the two factors to be considered but I've never seen hard data that oil just sitting in an engine significantly degrades over time.
 
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