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why won't they listen

cuttin edge

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Our construction season is winding down. The asphalt plant is shut down, and being prepared for winter. The plows are all painted, the loaders, with the exception of 2, all have their winter tires on, and the crew is down from around 100 to about 15 of us. We have had some really mild weather for this time of year. This past week, we have had some -12c or 10F nights, with 0c or 32F. The federal government wanted a road going out to a lighthouse fixed. The road is 5km or a little over 3 miles long. It is built out over a peatmoss bog. it was well built back in the day. Crib work, with sandstone over top. The first km is wide and built heavy, as it provides access to the harvesting area of the peatmoss field. The rest is about 16 feet wide, no heavy traffic, just some sport fishermen, someone checking the weather station, and lighthouse, and some teenage boys with their parents car, taking their girlfriends somewhere out of sight. $11000 bucks, for a dozen loads of sandstone for the big holes, and some grading. Now the cold as far as I'm concerned has been enough to put some frost in the ground. People seem to think that mid mount ripper on my grader can do all. 2 inches of frost is harder to rip than rock, so just to show that I tried, I attempted about 10 feet and left the marks for them to see. Step 2, roll some sod off the sides to expose some unfrozen material. Boss calls. They have upped the budget to $25000, grading, plus up to 80 loads of sandstone. I'm sending down the D6, as the sandstone pit in the area is coarse. So keeping in mind that there is probably 20 or 80 feet of bog just outside this 16 foot road, how does he figure a loaded tandem truck can get past a 6 tractor. Add to the mix, expected snow, and then a temp change to around +12c or 53F. A dozen loads on that road with the frost melting, not bad, but 80? Snowed that night. Not a lot, but enough to have to plow the contracts. The 2 big loaders, still working, were unable to plow, so the smaller ones move in. My L70 F with an 11 foot box takes a bit longer than an 18 foot box on an L180. On the radio I hear the tandems getting ready to head down to the lighthouse job. Then I get a call from the dozer man for some info. I share what I know. Don't let the trucks turn loaded in the little turning areas. I also voice this to the truckers on the radio. Boss phones and wants me to take a truck and help haul when I'm done plowing. Once they get far enough along, I can park the truck and do some grading. I said you know what's going to happen once the frost starts to melt. Should be fine he says. I finish playing find the edge of the asphalt in the snow, grab an old tandem and start the hour long trip. I get there, and there are 5 tandems waiting on the road. One of the trucks tried to turn loaded, and couldn't be pulled without doing damage, so they were waiting for the float to come from town, an hour away, grab the excavator in the pit, and bring it down. The float can't get in there, so the 350 has to walk almost 2 miles to get there. I start grading. Still frozen, but getting softer. The trucks start rolling again. Boss calls, how you making out. I tell him I think you better wait for the ground to freeze, haul your sandstone, then grade it in the spring, I could shape it up in less than a day. Keep going it will be fine. Yesterday morning, frost gone, road completely rutted up, D6 back drags the mess, and we are out of there until the ground freezes. go figure
 

Bls repair

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This is a saying I use when doing something everyone thinks is stupid

There’s two rules in construction ,rule#1 THE BOSS IS ALWAYS RIGHT, rule #2 when the THE BOSS is wrong refer to rule #1.:D
 

cuttin edge

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Does the boss have any experience in building roads or running equipment? There are times when you can't compete with the weather no matter what.
The boss is not an operator. He is probably 15 years my elder, born into this company. When I say boss, I mean owner of the company. His Grandfather started this company in the 40s, his father almost lost everything, and he brought it up to what it is today. He is a 7 day a week, 20 hours a day working boss. Works hard during slow times to make sure we all have work. We would all do pretty much anything he asks, commands serious respect among his men, and is known amongst other contractors as a handshake, man of his word. Not sure what happened this time. Getting burnt out perhaps.
 

Welder Dave

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I didn't realize you worked for a private contractor. Doesn't surprise me the federal gov't. had no problem more than doubling their budget.
 

DMiller

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That’s the exact same rule we follow in my house, just replace “the boss” with “I’m”........ :cool:

In MY House it is She That MUST be Obeyed as to the interchange to 'The Boss'!! Right she always is, no matter how wrong she states it.
 

cuttin edge

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I didn't realize you worked for a private contractor. Doesn't surprise me the federal gov't. had no problem more than doubling their budget.
Been with these guys for 23 years now. With the latest round of retirements, me and 9 others are the only ones in the 20 years plus club. The asphalt roller man is going on 45 years. When I first started, I used to complain about the old pricks, now I am one of the old pricks that the young guys complain about. Just the other day I told the group of truckers, including a young fella, not to try and turn a loaded tandem truck in the small turning spots on the peatmoss bog. That old prick doesn't know what he's talking about, he probably said before he buried the truck out of sight in the bog.
 

John C.

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The thing is that you don't know what the boss knows and who he has been in touch with. Chances are that he has already made the same arguments to the party that wants the work done. I had a client years ago in the asphalt business that was running the shop. It was rainy and cold that day and they were going out on a job. I asked him who puts down asphalt in these kinds of conditions. His response was "if they sign the paper for the work that morning, he doesn't care what the weather is or will do to the product." It's another way of saying as long as the check clears the bank...
 

Bls repair

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Years ago had a bank parking lot to pave it was so soft you couldn’t drive through it . It had to be done to get a C O . Asphalt plants were getting ready to shut down for the winter . Got a hard freeze for two days ,we went to pave it ,trucks got around ok ,paver got around ok ,went to roll it got stuck . The heat from the asphalt thawed out the frost. We paved the rest of the job but didn’t roll it ,ran a tamper on all the hand work so we wouldn’t have a lot of loose stone.

Sometime you have to do what you have to do.
 
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