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Rob Mountain

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I recently purchased an H80 and was wanting to know if anyone knows if the starter is a wet starter. When I fill the transmission up fluid comes out of the starter solenoid as the starter is a unsealed version like on a truck. I don't have the engine manual so I cant reference the starter part number. Thanks for any info
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Rob Mountain said:
I recently purchased an H80 and was wanting to know if anyone knows if the starter is a wet starter. When I fill the transmission up fluid comes out of the starter solenoid as the starter is a unsealed version like on a truck. I don't have the engine manual so I cant reference the starter part number. Thanks for any info
Rob​
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Probably a wet flywheel as most of the old Houghs were. Easy way to tell would be to look at the bottom of flywheel housing or converter housing and see if there is about a one inch hose from there to the transmission case, that would be the drain hose.

Maybe post a picture or two of the machine showing the engine, torque converter and transmission. Some one might be able to spoat something that might help.

Many starters even those used with dry flywheel applications have seals that keep dirt and oil out of the electrical parts. A picture of the starter might help too!

I think you have to post on this site a few times before you can post pictures so just post a few times about different things like what you bought this H80 for and maybe what you do for a living and such!
 
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my h90e has a wet bell im pretty sure. i dont know how full it normally runs when running but ive never had any come out the starter hole.
 
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lantraxco said:
Hough... woof! there's a flashback I did not need! LOL
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Hey now! I made a good living fixing those things back in the day! Not sure I would feel the same if I owned one! At least they were better than the Trojans, I think Trojan bought all the parts that Hough decided not to buy! Had one with a 903 Cummins if that tells you anything!
 
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kshansen said:
Hey now! I made a good living fixing those things back in the day! Not sure I would feel the same if I owned one! At least they were better than the Trojans, I think Trojan bought all the parts that Hough decided not to buy! Had one with a 903 Cummins if that tells you anything!
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The only Trojans I worked on came from Rexall, lol. Hough ended up as International Payloader as I recall, nothing wrong with them really. I did work on a few, all of them tired beyond belief. Thinking back on it, I can't remember any brand ever being fun to work on, the only reward ever I think was bringing them back to life.
 
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lantraxco said:
The only Trojans I worked on came from Rexall, lol. Hough ended up as International Payloader as I recall, nothing wrong with them really. I did work on a few, all of them tired beyond belief. Thinking back on it, I can't remember any brand ever being fun to work on, the only reward ever I think was bringing them back to life.
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Hough's became International and then Dressers before being absorbed more or less by Komatsu.
If I was to pick my favorite Front End Loader I would probably go for a Pre-ROPS 966C Cat. Pretty basic systems and parts not too heavy. And if in good repair they were pretty fast and maneuverable.
 
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Thanks everyone who replied. Kshansen I'm a facilities supervisor at Empire aerospace up in North Idaho and I purchased this for my work which is at a hanger on an airport to move snow around. The loader used to be a county rig and its in great shape other than the rams leaked which we already rebuilt along with a few other leaks including the one I posted about, and I'm not entirely sure the year I believe its an 86. It says International on the loader but Hough in the service manual which I assume is one and the same. As for the starter I believe its the wrong one as the trans fluid pours out of the solenoid when its full which makes sense as the housing is wet. I'm just not sure what the starter part number would be as it seems everything on this thing is hard to find parts for but the one on it is a 1113340 delco 24 volt. loader new.jpg
 
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To me that looks like a 40MT Delco starter.

Quick couple questions from the picture below:

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Is the oil that you say is leaking coming out where the orange arrow is pointing?
Next question if the starter has plugs like the one the green arrow is pointing to is there oil in there by the brushes? It should be dry but probably a bit dry and dusty from the brush wear.

I'd still be checking for a drain line on or near the bottom of the converter housing, also check to see if there is a breather on the top of the converter housing and one on the transmission case. Plugged breather can cause problems with oil not draining out of converter housing. I seem to recall on some of the large Hough loaders that they had a plastic about 1/2 inch line between the converter housing and transmission case and a mushroom shaped breather in a tee at one end or the other.

Do you have a prats book for this loader? If not I would look on line and see if you can get one I think I saw a few for $50-$60.00 to me a very good investment. Even better if you can get operation manual and a full service manual. All three might cost a couple hundred but if you plan on keeping and using this machine for a few years it will save you that much or more.
 
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kshansen said:
To me that looks like a 40MT Delco starter.

Quick couple questions from the picture below:

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Is the oil that you say is leaking coming out where the orange arrow is pointing?
Next question if the starter has plugs like the one the green arrow is pointing to is there oil in there by the brushes? It should be dry but probably a bit dry and dusty from the brush wear.

I'd still be checking for a drain line on or near the bottom of the converter housing, also check to see if there is a breather on the top of the converter housing and one on the transmission case. Plugged breather can cause problems with oil not draining out of converter housing. I seem to recall on some of the large Hough loaders that they had a plastic about 1/2 inch line between the converter housing and transmission case and a mushroom shaped breather in a tee at one end or the other.

Do you have a prats book for this loader? If not I would look on line and see if you can get one I think I saw a few for $50-$60.00 to me a very good investment. Even better if you can get operation manual and a full service manual. All three might cost a couple hundred but if you plan on keeping and using this machine for a few years it will save you that much or more.
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No its dry where the brushes are. The fluid is coming out where the seal is on the solenoid by the wire connections. I do have a service manual and a parts manual for it but they don't have much on the engine. Nothing in either for the starter. I was assuming that the fluid getting into the lever housing would be an issue and that there would be a seal to keep it from getting that far. I suppose it could be the fluid not draining quick enough back out of the converter housing. I did replace the hose from the bottom of the housing to the transmission but I did not see until yesterday there is a screen at the entry point on the trans which I will pull today and clean.
 
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I really need an operators manual for it as I don't know how much fluid the trans/ converter takes. It would be nice to know to see if the trans is pushing fluid into the converter housing but not returning.
 
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