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Hydraulic cavitation concern

fastline

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Put this in the general area it is a pretty generic hydraulic issue.

Dealing with a Yale 9K forklift that has not been run in years due to a bad engine. We replaced the engine but before even finishing the engine, I noted a small leak coming from the main rubber suction hose from hydro tank to the main gear pump. It is about a 2" hose. The original one appears to have simply cracked from age, however, there was still about a 1/3 tank of fluid.

We test fired the machine briefly to confirm reasonable operation and all functions were normal. We lifted the mast just a little to confirm valves worked. After that, the hydro tank was drained, suction line replaced, and removed oil put back in the system as it was clean, and we added another 10gal of new AW46 over that.

So far the fork has run 1-2hrs total while testing and adjusting things. There are no more visible hydraulic leaks on the suction line. However, there is a little more whine to the main pump than I would prefer, and there is very certainly odd noise coming from the steering booster on the column. Things that are telling me I might have some more issues in the hydraulic system.

I don't know precisely how the inside of the tank is configured because we removed the oil by drilling a hole in the old suction line, draining, and adding it back. However, the parts book indicates a screen filter on the suction side, then a proper hydraulic filter in the tank on the return oil line.

There is no visible aeration on the dipstick while running, and the suction hose has not acted like it is trying to collapse, indicating a restriction. The hydraulic power of the machine was tested to near full capacity and it certainly has power to waste. Cycle times are also normal, steering is normal, etc. Just noise.

I am looking for some troubleshoot ideas to source the issue. I am a little baffled. I know hydraulic pumps can make a little noise but in my experience, forklifts are usually very quiet and I would say the pump noise stands out a bit over the engine. As for the noise around the steering booster, if I operate the brake or turn the steering a little, it will get quieter and I would say it makes the most noise when not under load.
 

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I suppose the machine has a gear pump and not any kind of piston pump? When I have those kinds of issues I use a mechanics stethoscope to narrow down the source of the noise. Noise can telegraph and problems sometimes can be a long way away from the source. The other thought is a lot of times the noises that come out of hydraulic systems are just normal. You have plenty of flow and power so it sounds like the pump is working fine. Sometimes you just get used to the noises that come from the machine.
 

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No, there is no piston pumps at all. Simple setup. One gear pump runs it all. You don't need a stethoscope to determine the noise is coming from the pump. I could be convinced the noise is telegraphing through other components. It certainly is not a noise that a competent hydro guy would run for the Estop switch, its just more noise that is typical of a forklift.

However, I suspect I might have a jaded perspective because one issue I have right now for sure is I cannot get the idle to come down. It is supposed to idle at about 650 and it wants to stay at 1100. Fork hydros get louder with more rpm due to the velocity increase. I guess I should probably figure out how to get that idle down first and see if things sound more normal to my ears.

The idle issue is odd. There is a firm idle stop screw AND a vacuum operated stop. However, neither of them are even touching and I have to get real physical with the throttle plate to get it to idle down even a little. Just odd. If I had to guess, I would say the throttle body is worn bad enough to bypass air. Just don't know yet.
 

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I think it depends on the specific pump how much noise it makes. The AW46 might be a thicker oil than what was in it and contribute to the noise. Run it awhile and monitor the noise. Forklifts are generally quieter than some other machines so the pump whine would be more noticeable.
 

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I don't know that machine. For the idle... I've seen where a throttle plate is not centered in the carb bore and will not allow it to close. Try loosing the the screws on the plate and close to stop then re tighten. This can allow the plate to recenter to the bore.
 

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I really was trying to avoid taking that carb apart because of the gaskets, but........lol, it sort of needs fixed You would have to see this contraption but there is a stack of about 4 components. Mixer, adapter, throttle body, adapter......

I think you are right, its probably time to open it as nothing else seems to be working and it all points to excess air at idle.
 

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Often the screws for the throttle plate can be accessed without opening the carb through the air intake. But again I don't know your machine. Is it gas or propane??
 

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Could the linkage be sticking? Have you tried disconnecting the linkage at the carb? Foot pedal hinge/pivot rusted? Or possible vacuum leak? All things I would look for before opening the carb, especially if it runs well.
 

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Sounds like the machine works well. With the high idle being the only real problem, Could the hydraulic noise actually be the sound of a vacuum leak?
 
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