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Not to change this to a political thread because I hate political discussions or anything to do with politics online. But when deregulation came along in the early 80's implemented by RR
that's when things started a downward spiral in the trucking business. Before that you ran permits for what you could haul and permitted in each state you ran. For instance {household
goods fell under a certain permit, and that permit could be contested by other trucking companies in that area. If you had a Grand Daddy permit it was worth gold and was transferable.
When deregulation took affect it allowed any and everyone in the business and freight rates took it in the a$$ and junk on the road. And in the end you have all the regulations that we
have now to try a control the business.

Petepilot was a old time trucker from that era and I'm sure he can expound on this also. In the old days the signage for permits on the side of a C.O.E. read like the reader board
at the local Dairy Queen back in the 60's, out here it was common to see 11 states listed with permit numbers because most licenced for 11 western states.
 
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Spud_Monkey said:
My semi is registered over 26k lbs for "Farm Use" does that mean I have to do the same? No hauling of any loads except for my personal junk.
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I run into 'farm use' guys once in a while: no cdl required, up to 105,500 I think, and in WA I think... a hundred and something mile radius from the farm. Can't remember if there were any other limits but most of the guys have never been pulled over.
 
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CDL is required for farm use in Washington. But the minute you load for hire the rules change.
You can haul your own grain as long as it comes from your elevator on your property, if you
store your grain in a pooled elevator then the grain is co-mingled and becomes commercial
hauling. Plus if you have hired drivers you have to have them in a drug test pool if they work
on the farm.--------Nobody gets away.
 
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Ronsii said:
I run into 'farm use' guys once in a while: no cdl required, up to 105,500 I think, and in WA I think... a hundred and something mile radius from the farm. Can't remember if there were any other limits but most of the guys have never been pulled over.
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As everyone heard about my thing of getting CDL even though might not ever get pulled over just from how this rig looks, I got one and believe those on farms should have one too when a vehicle gets that large and heavy. When a vehicle gets over 26,0001 lbs it's out of the states hands on if you need a license or not, it's in federal jurisdiction now as they told me, even if it's registered under 26,0001 lbs the door or pillar sticker says otherwise. If not found they will pull the VIN and run it to get it, hope one has $2500 saved up or in aggravated cases $5000 and up to 90 days in jail for no CDL and that' doesn't include impounding or having to get someone with CDL to move it off the road.
 
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Truck Shop said:
Not to change this to a political thread because I hate political discussions or anything to do with politics online. But when deregulation came along in the early 80's implemented by RR
that's when things started a downward spiral in the trucking business. Before that you ran permits for what you could haul and permitted in each state you ran. For instance {household
goods fell under a certain permit, and that permit could be contested by other trucking companies in that area. If you had a Grand Daddy permit it was worth gold and was transferable.
When deregulation took affect it allowed any and everyone in the business and freight rates took it in the a$$ and junk on the road. And in the end you have all the regulations that we
have now to try a control the business.

Petepilot was a old time trucker from that era and I'm sure he can expound on this also. In the old days the signage for permits on the side of a C.O.E. read like the reader board
at the local Dairy Queen back in the 60's, out here it was common to see 11 states listed with permit numbers because most licenced for 11 western states.
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Just prior to dereg I bought the KW and reciprocity from Red River Trucking Portland OR, maintained the name until went broke in 82 and was still paying that debt load including the reciprocity(Was in the Loan) as the truck went away. Started off Flat bed loads only then after dereg hit dragged everything from refrigerated and Dry van to low deck machine and materials moves, Eagle Division IML furnished the trailers and load outs.
 
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State of MO, so long as only hauling your own goods does not require CDL classification to truck type driven. That stated, as noted when stoop to hauling for the Neighbor or out of a grain elevator all that changes to CDL required, Correct Type and Endorsements.
 
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Truck Shop said:
CDL is required for farm use in Washington. But the minute you load for hire the rules change.
You can haul your own grain as long as it comes from your elevator on your property, if you
store your grain in a pooled elevator then the grain is co-mingled and becomes commercial
hauling. Plus if you have hired drivers you have to have them in a drug test pool if they work
on the farm.--------Nobody gets away.
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I was talking to one of the farm drivers less than two months ago while he was unloading and he told me he did not have a cdl and has been hauling the vegetables from the farm he works at..( might be on the OR side of the columbia not sure...) He said he lives in WA and has been doing this since he retired 6-7 years ago.
 
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I should have written that better Ronsii, The farm/ag regulations in this state do very, but it has to do with GVW. There are still many farmers around here that think they are exempt because they are a farmer.
The ag regulations in this state are a gray area depending on the dot officer you talk to. But the fact is exempt in some ways not in others they still have to comply with dot safety standards and legal weight.
They can also run over on hours but only during a harvest.
 
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So this afternoon I had a few minutes so I called my primary care physician’s office. I figured that if they do the p!ss test for my DOT Health Card then maybe they are familiar with this testing consortium thing.


I spoke with Mary, who is sweet and always answers the ‘phone, and I explained the reason for my call. After an awkward moment of silence, Mary replied,” well,… we do drug testing on patients that we prescribe drugs to so we can verify that they’re actually taking the medication and not selling it on the street,…. is that what you’re looking for dear?"


No Mary, not quite.


So I repeated the reason for my call, this time slower and with smaller words. Mary says “Hold on” now I can hear Mary speaking to someone in the background who has a slightly larger brain and when she returns she says, “ So you have a trucks?" Yes maam. “What kind?” Dump truck. “And you have a DOT number?” Yes I do Mary. “ Well, If you want us to watch you pee in a cup, we don’t do that here.”


Mary,.. “yes dear” Thank you so much for your help today. “You’re welcome dear!”


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Truck Shop said:
I should have written that better Ronsii, The farm/ag regulations in this state do very, but it has to do with GVW. There are still many farmers around here that think they are exempt because they are a farmer.
The ag regulations in this state are a gray area depending on the dot officer you talk to. But the fact is exempt in some ways not in others they still have to comply with dot safety standards and legal weight.
They can also run over on hours but only during a harvest.
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This guy works for the farm owner, the owner bought a few of these trucks and keeps some of them road legal: I think they were frightliners... maybe 04'ish they license them at more than 80 grand the trailers are 53 footers and they deliver year round to one of the big manufacturers in the valley.
 
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Ronsii said:
This guy works for the farm owner, the owner bought a few of these trucks and keeps some of them road legal: I think they were frightliners... maybe 04'ish they license them at more than 80 grand the trailers are 53 footers and they deliver year round to one of the big manufacturers in the valley.
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What type of manufacturing? The problem that has arisen is the fact the farm machinery keeps getting bigger and heaver. Farmers are try to exceed the 105 limit, One here this last summer got his ticket
moving a low track 8 with two shank ripper and blade. Over width, Over weight and he had been doing it for some time til he got caught and it was a two axle lowboy and no drop axle.
 
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The manufacturer slices/dices,cooks,seasons and bags the product. If I remember right they didn't exceed the 105,000 gvwt. I think he told me he does 2-3 trips a week to up here.
 
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Trailer looks like agricultural commodities hauling ...Live bottom ... Potatoes ? I Saw many open trucks in CA hauling tomatoes years ago.

Section 32934 of MAP–21 provides a statutory exemption from most of the FMCSRs, including those pertaining to commercial driver’s licenses (CDL) and driver physical qualifications (medical) requirements, for the operation of covered farm vehicles by farm and ranch operators, their employees, and certain other specified individuals

https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/FR-2012-10-01/pdf/2012-24106.pdf
 
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