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Wes J

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Here in the heart of International there are still tons of old mechanical DT466 powered trucks still running. The IH cabs did rust pretty badly, but IH builds one hell of a stout vocational truck. I have a 1985 S1850 IH that was built as a plow truck for the county. Can't kill it. The front end is a little loose from carrying a 12 foot plow, but it's a good truck.

IH just should have stayed out of the 12 liter + engine market and they probably would have been fine. Oh, and they should have walked away from that whole "Cat" truck badge engineering debacle.
 
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Pete used those Renault piles in there business class beaters some years ago. I did a in-frame on one ten plus years ago-before I got done I was looking for a step stool and a rope.

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Bobcat tried a Renault diesel engine as a lower cost alternative to the Kubota engines. It's built like a **** box car engine with a timing belt. Of course, the belt would break and the pistons would do their best to close those open valves.

You pretty much can't give one of those machines away.
 
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Wes J said:
Here in the heart of International there are still tons of old mechanical DT466 powered trucks still running. The IH cabs did rust pretty badly, but IH builds one hell of a stout vocational truck. I have a 1985 S1850 IH that was built as a plow truck for the county. Can't kill it. The front end is a little loose from carrying a 12 foot plow, but it's a good truck.

IH just should have stayed out of the 12 liter + engine market and they probably would have been fine. Oh, and they should have walked away from that whole "Cat" truck badge engineering debacle.
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An AG/fertilizer company I worked for had eight early 80's 1850 IH's with 466's 6613's on 44,000 lb Hendrickson with 18,000 lb steer axles dual frames. You couldn't kill one of those rigs
tough as hell they were.

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It's got an A model 3406, It says spring suspension, but that is 46,000 lb Hendrickson beam biscuit.

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Brakesaver oil temp and main and aux trans temps in the gauge package. So not its first transmission set up. All the kg's in the door tag would suggest canada.

Couldn't see in the pics if the brakesaver is still there.
 
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Truck Shop said:
Pete used those Renault piles in there business class beaters some years ago. I did a in-frame on one ten plus years ago-before I got done I was looking for a step stool and a rope.

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The Pete and Kenworth fakes were actually Brazilian built by Volkswagen, I think, the couple I have seen up close had 8.3 Cummins engines and 6 speed transmissions. The wing window glass was etched with "Volkswagen". Really.
 
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Wes J

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Truck Shop said:
An AG/fertilizer company I worked for had eight early 80's 1850 IH's with 466's 6613's on 44,000 lb Hendrickson with 18,000 lb steer axles dual frames. You couldn't kill one of those rigs
tough as hell they were.

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Tough, yes. Fast, no. The DT466 is a great engine, but 62,000 lbs would be a handful for it. I think the old ones were around 215 hp and 550 lb-ft. When I drove them I always joked that they could get rid of the accelerator pedal and just give me an on/off switch.

My brother has a 1989 S1850 tandem DT466 with Hendrickson suspension and a 9 speed Eaton. Weighs 21,000 empty. Add an 8,000 lb tag trailer and a 26,000 lb excavator and pretty much every hill will have you in low range.
 
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RZucker said:
The Pete and Kenworth fakes were actually Brazilian built by Volkswagen, I think, the couple I have seen up close had 8.3 Cummins engines and 6 speed transmissions. The wing window glass was etched with "Volkswagen". Really.
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Correct they were made by VW. Local rock company had one for small landscape deliveries. I heard it was a pain to get a windshield for it, can't remember if my friend broke it when working on the truck or if it was somebody else, ouch. They got rid of that thing right quick when they had a chance. I don't know if it had a Cummins or not.
 
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There is a Mack 427 here with names cast on the inside of the valve covers. Inside of one is Mack and inside the other is Renault.
In the last few years Volvo took over the Renault portion to my understanding. Some new trucks came with Mack filters on one side and Volvo filters on the other. The local Volvo dealer could not get the filters with their name on them. Mad as Heck!
Them there are Malvos.
 
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Could have sworn the ones I saw in 1977 had Iveco engines in them, were junk without a doubt Iveco or Renault.
 
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Wes J said:
Tough, yes. Fast, no. The DT466 is a great engine, but 62,000 lbs would be a handful for it. I think the old ones were around 215 hp and 550 lb-ft. When I drove them I always joked that they could get rid of the accelerator pedal and just give me an on/off switch.

My brother has a 1989 S1850 tandem DT466 with Hendrickson suspension and a 9 speed Eaton. Weighs 21,000 empty. Add an 8,000 lb tag trailer and a 26,000 lb excavator and pretty much every hill will have you in low range.
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The 1850's that ag company had didn't have to go fast-90% of the time those trucks sat in the field with anhydrous tanks mounted on them. But in low range they were great for
the hilly wheat fields around here.

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The Old Man was walking around pointing out all the little stress cracks on the aluminum flatbed while I was wrestling with the landing gear .

Yep, they start busting up after so many years . Aint like a steel trailer .

There's a good reason ya don't see lowboys & crane booms built out of aluminum.
Aluminum should be saved for building aircraft & 6-71 super chargers .:D
 
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I've seen a lot of cracked frames in steel flat beds. Especially the Transcraft trailers with steel frames and aluminum decks. Pretty much all spread axle flatbeds will eventually crack the web of the beam in front of the front axle. I don't know if it's just the side load from turning, or a combination of side load and vertical load.
 
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Aluminum is a bit different in that it flex (Work) hardens over time and stress cracking cannot continually be controlled. Saw it in the 70's with aluminum dry bulk tank trailers, the stress of pressurizing then the pounding on them on the highways with typical loads they would stress harden in corners and along existing welds, could chase cracks indefinitely when at some point the owners got the message and scrapped them after 15 years hard use. Same for the aluminum flatbeds, unless can get one into a oven and return the flexibility then the hardening just builds with even more hardening around fresh welds.
 
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