Chinese Tires

Lately I've been seeing a lot of Chinese manufactured tires.

My impression is the material is soft and easily cut plus I've seen a couple of side wall failures.

I'm looking for comments on who uses them, how much they cost and their durability.

Thanks

Wait until you see a set of solid "cushion ride" tires on a 980 and 988. When I was working demo we tired out a chinese set of solids on each instead of foam filled. The 988 had smoke coming out of the holes after a month and a half. The 980 faired worse. After about a month it had smoke pouring out those holes, a few weeks later it was rubber pouring out with the smoke.

We recently put a set of chinese tires on the front of a Cat 740 ADT. The brand name is Double Coin, I'd never heard of them before. The tire service guy said they've been having pretty good luck with them on haul trucks and some wheel loaders. We haven't put many hours on them yet but one of them has already developed a leak. They were a cheaper than the bridgestones and michelins. I guess time will tell.

Everything you pick up says " made in China " that's part of our economic problem. Hell we need to support our own country and our own people. Sorry, had to throw that in. I bought Firestones last time.

I also went with Firestones on my trencher,was also going to use another Goodyear for the front ,but they was on back order because all the Goodyear(Tition) tires was going for tractor tires and they couldn't keep up with the new tractor sales here.

That was this summer and i checked to see if it was still on there list the other day to come in and they said it was ,but had no clue when they would get one?

The sale of tractors might be slowing down with the lower grain prices:beatsme:usa

Some Chinese tyres are very good and others not so good. A mate of mine is a tyre dealer and he has been fitting Double Coin truck tyres here for years. Value for money, they are right up there with the rest. For loader and grader tyres, we use Advance tyres. Once again they are good value for money. If money was no object, I would have Michelin on everything, but because I am only a lowly contractor, the Chinese tyres will have to do and to date, they have been doing that very well.

Rn'R.

Buy McLaren!

just supporting the advertisers, lol

i have used double coin and triangle tyres (both chinese) on trucks and they wear well, no problems with them, i have a mate who uses very cheap chinese tryes on his trucks, he says very good value for money.

activeorpassive said:

Buy McLaren!

just supporting the advertisers, lol

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I sent a enquiry to them, but got no response?? I was wondering if they don't like to sell stuff to Europe/Finland?
To our bobcats we have been using bobcat filled tyres and michelin air tyres with good luck! McLaren would be a lot cheaper than the bobcat ones, maybe even better?
On our dump trucks we have been using double coin tyres with good luck so far, on the smaller trucks all kind of brands.
I really hate to support this cheap stuff, but to make any profit the choises are few, competition is really tough! The customers almost always pics the cheapest contractor, and the cheapest contractor is usually the one that founds the best value stuff. still i wouldnt even go and try a chinese machine...

I guess it will come as no surprise to many here that a lot of Michelin Tyres are made in China.

http://www.allbusiness.com/automotive/motor-vehicle-models-new-car/7661621-1.html

Squizzy246B said:

I guess it will come as no surprise to many here that a lot of Michelin Tyres are made in China.

http://www.allbusiness.com/automotive/motor-vehicle-models-new-car/7661621-1.html

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If they sold them for the same price as the equivalent Chinese tyres, I would buy them, but at nearly three times the price and in our work, they can still be damaged the same as the cheaper tyre, the economics just don't allow it.

Rn'R.

John C, I am not clear about the China tyre industry, just find some information for you, the top Brand of China tyre are: Triangle, Double Coin/Warrior(the same company), Chengshan, Zhaoyang/ZC Rubber(the same company), Double Star.
These brands products should be better than the others China tyre, hope it could help.

Rocksn'Roses said:

If they sold them for the same price as the equivalent Chinese tyres, I would buy them, but at nearly three times the price and in our work, they can still be damaged the same as the cheaper tyre, the economics just don't allow it.

Rn'R.

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I went to replace the Yoko steers on my truck and asked about the Michies...nearly $100 more per tyre.......I'll stick with the Yokos....a Japanese made tyre at that. When I did the drives the dealer said try these Chinese "LingLong" as thats what they are supplying to the mines. I have done about 12,000 klicks and still haven't been able to detect any wear.

The price of a chinese tire is less but the cost is much more when running over the road.

I've seen several sets of Michelin XDH4 and Bridgestone M726's go 350k to almost 400k miles (in rare cases) measured by hub-o-meters on one of my accounts' fleets back in my days as a commercial tire and retread salesman. At the time, the m726 and the premium Michelin could be had for around $400.00 per tire, tax in.

Later in life, I quit that job and went on my own and briefly dealt in container loads of double coin drive tires. The double coin with the identical tread pattern of the bridgestone could be had for around $250.00. The DC drive tires wore evenly but we were lucky to get even 100k miles out of them.

So if you do the math, the bridgestone's actual cost at 350k miles was ~$11.43 per tire, per 10k miles. The DC cost ~$25.00 per tire, per 10k miles. My DC days didn't last very long once my over the road customers figured that out.

Now if you don't drive your truck more than 100k over a span of 5 to 7 years, then I think the China tires might be a well suited choice for you because most manufacturers warranties are out by then anyway.


FYI, most retread plants that cap tires for a living won't buy a chinese casing to cap and put in there inventory. Too many failures. Chinese casings run their 1st life pretty well, but failures are much too frequent on the first cap. Any of the big three's (michelin, bridgestone, goodyear) are known to take up to 3 caps before having to be scrapped. And in some cases offer a million mile casing warranty.

A good friend of mine retreads earthmover tires. Being in the scrap tire business myself, I sell him hundreds of OTR casings a year. He rejects every single chinese tire, period. He just won't buy them for retread or section repair.

hitch said:

John C, I am not clear about the China tyre industry, just find some information for you, the top Brand of China tyre are: Triangle, Double Coin/Warrior(the same company), Chengshan, Zhaoyang/ZC Rubber(the same company), Double Star.
These brands products should be better than the others China tyre, hope it could help.

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If you weren't so far away from me, I'd invite you over to my scrap tire facility for a few beers and a scrap tire analysis party. I collect over 5,000 tires a day there. The brands you mention may be the best out of china, but there are WAY too many premature casing failures out of most of the brands you mentioned. I'm talking about tires with almost new tread on them that went "pop" for no reason.

Another problem with the chinese tires is warranty. Most dealers that sell them, fights the heck out of the warranty because they know they can't send the tire back to china to make it good. I've heard dealers say "Just buy another one, they're cheap." or "How do I know someone didn't put a board of nails out on the road. That's not my fault your tire blew up."

Serv, thanks for sharing your experiences with the Chinese tires. I may need some 23.5x25 loader tires later this year and was considering the cheaper Chinese tires. While I would like radials, the price difference between bias ply and radials is huge - about 300% more for the radials.

Can you or someone else recommend a good buy in the 23.5 x 25 size for the Cat 966C that does not cost an arm and a leg? My Kubota 4WD tractor has a set of U.S. made Titans, which seem very good. One did blow out when I ran over a set of deer antlers (with the skull attached) in the bush. But I can't really blame the tire for that.

Also, what is your experience with Michelins or other European/US brands made in China? Do they insist on the same quality standards and controls in their Chinese plants as for their plants in other countries?

I have bought Goodyear tires for years for my telehandler / Lulls 13:00 & 14:00 x 24. Last year I could not get a Goodyear in a hurry and ended up with a Chinese tire:Banghead:crying The GY was back ordered but it is now made in Indonesia and not the USA. Dealer told me no non-radial tires are made in the USA anymore The Chinese tire is not old but when I rub against it it is like a piece of charcoal leaving black marks on me. It doesn't seem to wear well either.

Above that have have no desire to increase are trade deficit with China as it was 23+ billion this month. I have no desire to increase the China's military power. Guess I should buy a spare and leave it in the yard. Country is going down fast as we sell it to the Chinese in products and debt we owe them.


Remember rubber was more important in winning WWII than the atomic bomb let's not give another industry away.:usa

swampdog said:

Serv, thanks for sharing your experiences with the Chinese tires. I may need some 23.5x25 loader tires later this year and was considering the cheaper Chinese tires. While I would like radials, the price difference between bias ply and radials is huge - about 300% more for the radials.

Can you or someone else recommend a good buy in the 23.5 x 25 size that does not cost an arm and a leg? My 4WD tractor has a set of U.S. made Titans, which seem very good. One did blow out when I ran over a set of deer antlers (with the skull attached) in the bush. But I can't really blame the tire for that.

Also, what is your experience with Michelins or other European/US brands made in China? Do they insist on the same quality standards and controls in their Chinese plants as for their plants in other countries?

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I would say Michelin would not let their name go down the tubes by a Chinese tire. Their name is on it so I would have more confidence vs a plain Chinese tire.

When I ask wear something is made I sometimes get grief from the seller and smart remarks. That marks the end of the sale for them. I still have the right to spend my money here if it is my choice or even possible. It does get clouded now with a Bridestone made here and a GY made in Indonesia.

we use a tire made by Ling Long outta China...They are a crappy tire !!! ,,if they are installed backwards..

Alot of guys.. if not informed don't realise that they are a directional tire ...Installed correctly they have been matching the more prevalient name brands with no sweat..

I've seen some tires with the name of Guizhou or something like that.

Anyone else run into these?

Thanks for all the comments. I didn't know there were so many truck tires from China running down the road.