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DMiller

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Too many, cuts each others throats as to income. For each new winery in MO one dies out, cannot sustain the levels of supply as only so many clients.
 

Truck Shop

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Too many, cuts each others throats as to income. For each new winery in MO one dies out, cannot sustain the levels of supply as only so many clients.

Highest percentage are hobby wineries funded by the rich, not interested in huge profits. Tax write off.
Hob Knob wineries, Drew Bledsoe, Paul Allen and so on.
 

DMiller

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Same here as the people that own the major number of wineries live off investment incomes, most in the Billions. HAVE to delineate write offs and have their favored pastimes. Dierbergs own Hermann Farm, get massive grants for 'Educational Value', buy tons of stuff for the place and then write it all off. Hoffmans' are doing that in Augusta MO. Last estimate Dierbergs were worth over $12B, in their 80s and the properties all In Trust so kids cannot just sell them off.
 

DMiller

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Me Dierberg was a manager at First Bank here, would allow or even direct farms into loans could not afford, let them go default and buy for remnant of loan, supposedly bought over Three thousand acres around the county doing that. To me is a parasite and as much worthless.
 

chidog

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First off not be allowed to discus the problem and burying heads in sand won't do a thing to help the problem.
Second diesel engines can burn jet fuel just fine, and they also burn way less of it, than a jet will. Airlines do not pay the going rate for fuel, if they did all the planes would be grounded.
 

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It doesn't matter the subject being discussed, emissions, ev's, property values, fuel costs, freight,
people in power and those who aren't. From the person who has billions/lives in a 50 dollar home to
the guy pushing a grocery cart living in a black plastic pallet shack. All about money--The one has more
than he needs or can spend the other just wants enough to buy some food, smokes, alcohol and dope
but wants that everyday. The common denominator is always money. The U.S. can't hardly take
a breath without thinking about money and what it's going to cost. Controls our every thought.
 

John C.

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A capitalist system is a meritocracy where those with work ethic, some intelligence, tolerance of risk and some luck will get ahead. Those without those qualities will be left behind. The problem with capitalism is that those left behind become a burden on everyone else and those that win the game believe that they owe nothing to the society that allowed for their success.
 

John C.

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I never discount luck in the formula for success. How many companies failed in the depressions we have had just in our lifetimes?
 

hosspuller

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Most of luck is being ready and alert to the opportunity. In even the purest example of lucky success... no skill or work required, low risk... hitting the lottery... you have to buy a ticket.
 

ianjoub

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How will Cali produce the needed electricity to replace the diesel powered trucks? Didn't they have blackouts last summer? Morons.
Manufacturers may just start making 20L gasoline engines for big trucks. Surely they could get the torque they need out of 20L! Getting 3 MPG out of a 'clean' gas motor has to be better than a diesel engine :rolleyes:
 
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