Trailer for d6r

[d6peg]

I am sure this is probably in the wrong forum but I thought it would get more exposure here in the dozer thread than in the trailer section. I am hastily looking at buying a new or a nearly new trailer to haul my D6r on. My question is this what do ya'll recommend, a hydro-tail or a detach? I am leaning to a detach because of the initial cost. Plus I like the benefit of the 22.5 tires versus the 17.5 and the lower center of gravity on the detach. We now have a hydro tail with 8.25by15inch and every time that I move my dozer I have a blow-out and I am sick a tired of it. Any help would be appreciated.

 

[Countryboy]

I am sure this is probably in the wrong forum but I thought it would get more exposure here in the dozer thread than in the trailer section.

It's a trailer thread though, so it goes in the trailer forum. Gosta keep it tidy around here.

I did ya one better though. The thread is located in the trailer forum but there is a "Redirect" left in the dozer forum. How's that for exposure.

Now, who's gonna be the first to help d6peg out with his question? :cool2

 

[d6peg]

thanks for the explanation CB. I did put in the title D6r though.

 

[fireman050]

i say go with the hyd detach

 

[OCR]

Hats off to the mods:

It's a trailer thread though, so it goes in the trailer forum. Gosta keep it tidy around here.

I did ya one better though. The thread is located in the trailer forum but there is a "Redirect" left in the dozer forum. How's that for exposure.

Now, who's gonna be the first to help d6peg out with his question? :cool2

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Probably in the wrong thread...

 

[Tri-Star]

I dont know if you have a truck with a hitch to pull a tag but my buddy has a 25 ton tilt top he pulls behind his dump truck and hauls his 6R and 963 on and loves it. It pulls great and he can get in alot smaller spots than a detach! Dont know if this will help but just thought I would run it buy you.

 

[hvy 1ton]

D6r weighs somewhere around 45,000lbs so you can sneek by with a 25ton lowboy. A 35 ton lowboy would probably be better an allow you to expand the range of your equipment without having to buy a new trailer. Then beyond that you need to decide how you want to load and unload your dozer. You can get a mechanical gooseneck, hydraulic gooseneck, or a rigid gooseneck. You could get a folding gooseneck, but those are mostly used for oilfield and winch truck applications.

I'm pretty sure Murray has a dealer in Texas now, if not it might be a long drive to their shop. The murray trailer is a MDG that is designed to be rear loaded with anything you can get up the back end. If your in a hurry or not in the mood to detach don't have to. One downside is the truck needs murray ramps installed.
http://www.murraytrailer.com/images/new/EasyLoad/Easy_Load_small.pdf
Fontaine either stopped making 35ton HDG's or doesn't list them, but here is a MGN they make, not easy to rear load like the Murray
http://www.fontainetrailer.com/pdfs/Renegade LXL.pdf
50ton HGN fontaine if you feel that's more your style.
http://www.fontainetrailer.com/pdfs/Magnitude51.pdf
35ton HGN trail king
http://www.trailking.com/trailers/files/TK_Advantage_Series_Hydraulic_Detachable_Gooseneck.pdf
Trail king 25ton and up RGN
http://www.trailking.com/trailers/files/TK_TK50LP_Special_Tag.pdf
http://www.trailking.com/trailers/files/TK_Rigid_Gooseneck_Trailers.pdf
With a little info i can narrow done the choices.

 

[Greg]

Detatch lowboy is the only way to go. My opinion this is to big of a machine o go on a tag trailer. We have a tag but use it for nothing larger than a D4B, D3's skidsteers and the like. I don't like the feel of that big of a machine as far off the ground as a D6 would get. Detach is so sooooooooooo slick to load and unload too.

 

[d6peg]

Thanks for the help guys. I am sure leaning toward a detach. I have found a eager-beaver detach plus it has a beaver-tail and ramps also. The problem that I get into with the beaver-tail is the extra added weight of the trailer, I have to try to stay under 80000lbs if I can because I am running conservation plates.

I rented a detach for a month to haul our d8k with and liked the low center of gravity, but it was a pain in the butt to hook up if you were on unlevel ground.

I guess the oil boom has snatched all the used detaches up.

 

[Tri-Star]

I agree a detach is the way to go, But depending on where you live and work, alot of roads arent very manuverable with such a big trailer like here in East TN.

 

[tonka]

um here you go....http://www.truckpaper.com/listings/...on=&keywords=&Name=&Cty=&LS=&SO=42&GroupSort=

 

[d6peg]

Tri-star, that has been a concern for me, as I am on co. roads alot.

Tonka, I have that site set as one of my favorites. I kinda like the witzco challenger NGB on the front page. I wish I was closer to Dallas, I would sure have to take a look at it. If I buy it I'll let you deliver it for me.

 

[hvy 1ton]

If your worried about weight the murray easy load would work out really nice. Haven't tried to work out the others, but i'm pretty sure to stay under 80K you'll need a MGN, but you might find a light 35 ton HGN.
10,500lb trailer
20,000lb truck
+47,000lb dozer
77,500lbs
If you unload the dozer on ground that would make hard to get the detach back together(uneven, soft, or crowned ground) often, something with a beaver tail will be good. I keep suggesting the murray trailers cuz i have seen some other lowboys torn up by rear loading. They make a big deal about being able to rear load anything you can get up there. Hamm doesn't detach their lowboys for anything less than 50K unless it's impossible not to. Their lowboys are speced to be rear loaded, unless they have flip axles.

 

[d6peg]

hvy 1ton,
Of all the trailers I have looked at I like the murray trailer probably the best, but it takes too many $$$$. Nice trailer though. Plus I would like to go with 22.5" tires.

Thanks for the info. I like to see all the different ideas and I am open to any new ones if they fit in my budget.

 

[Chaz Murray]

I really doubt you will be able to stay under 80,000 with a D6....that 10,000lb trailer weight I think is a bit of a dream unless you can find one of our old 1970's model 16 tire trailers thats 8 wide... the newer stuff is just bigger and in turn makes it heavier...the lightest easy load I have seen in recent times has been in the 12,500 to 13,000 area and that was a bare bones no options trailer. I think you will be stuck, no matter what Mfg. trailer you purchase, with running with a over weight permit.

And 17.5 wheels and 235 tires are not a problem...we have used them for years in our own trucking fleet and sold hundreds of trailers with 235 tires and they hold up just fine. there is not much of a benefit going to the 22.5 except that your spare would be interchangeable with the truck ...well that is unless you are running 24.5 on the truck.

just curious what kind of price range are ya looking for?

 

[Chaz Murray]

I'm pretty sure Murray has a dealer in Texas now, if not it might be a long drive to their shop. The murray trailer is a MDG that is designed to be rear loaded with anything you can get up the back end. If your in a hurry or not in the mood to detach don't have to. One downside is the truck needs murray ramps installed.
http://www.murraytrailer.com/images/new/EasyLoad/Easy_Load_small.pdf

We do not have a dealer in Texas yet but we are looking for one and will be at the Great American Truck show in Dallas next month, Aug 21-23rd. we will have 2 trailers there....a 16 tire professional and a 3 axle interstate...stop by and see us if you are in the area

 

[hvy 1ton]

The PDF lists the easy load at 10,500lbs for a 20ft deck and 11,600lbs for a 24ft deck. Is it low b/c no one orders them at that weight, or b/c they have increased in weight structurally?

 

[Chaz Murray]

The PDF lists the easy load at 10,500lbs for a 20ft deck and 11,600lbs for a 24ft deck. Is it low b/c no one orders them at that weight, or b/c they have increased in weight structurally?

that weight is right but that is a bare bones trailer no options at all. We have not built a 20ft deck in at least 2 years and I think that was for a Fire Dept anyway...About the shortest we have built in recent times is a 23'4". But nowadays everyone gets 3/4" flanges vs. 5/8" or 1/2" like we use to do, fenders over the tires, ramp storage pockets in the rear, chain boxes etc etc etc etc...so all that stuff adds up quick 100lbs here 500lbs there and there ya are up to 13,000lbs in a hurry. I guess we need to come up with a carbon fiber trailer or something then we can get the weight down to almost nothin haha

 

[hvy 1ton]

That's what i figured, just curious was all.

 

[d6peg]

Chaz,
I would like to stay around the $45,000 for a new trailer. Ultimatly, I would like to find a good used trailer that is about 3yrs old and in very good condition. I have a dad that is 76yr old and he needs something that is pretty much automatic, that is why I love your trailer with the air beaver-tail, plus I need to be where I can get my little pickup on the trailer when I need to. I think I can get under the 80,000lb limit with my truck and the machine alone, axeling out might be a problem though. According to the specs my operating weight with the 6R is only around 44,000 to 45,000lbs and the truck only weighs about 17,250lbs.