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Elections American vs Canadian

Junkyard

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I quit listening and watching to the news years ago. Its always bad so what's the point. I don't do social media so I don't get riled up over the latest bs. The only way I know any of what goes on day to day is because someone else near me is talking about it , or someone asks me if I heard something they did. I will watch political debates at election time until the real BS starts, by that point I have already made up my mind as to whom I will vote for. It amazes me how much calmer and hopeful I feel when the news is ignored and I make my own decisions as to what I believe to be right and just.


I’m right there with ya. I glance at headlines on a couple sites. Maybe read about a particular issue in a couple places and take the two sides, sift through the fertilizer and form an opinion on the matter. I don’t do it often. Maybe every 3-4 days. I can’t stand the BS but don’t want to be uninformed either.
 

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Not caring is the problem. Not caring brought in Obama care which meant $20,000 a year health insurance premiums. Not caring brought us someone wanting to spend eight plus billion dollars on a wall that accomplishes nothing but taking away money for necessary items. Not caring is what keeps career politicians in place in national government who most of us believe care more about feeding at the public trough than doing what they were sent to DC to accomplish in the first place. What the super rich of the US hate is an informed electorate. If anything in social media affected the one percent do you think those companies would still be in business?

As long as it confuses us in the blue collar masses and makes enough of us not care to study the issues, look into the past records of potential candidates and check the facts when they come out with blatant lies, the super rich will be on board with social media and we will deserve what we get.
 

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Not caring is the problem. Not caring brought in Obama care which meant $20,000 a year health insurance premiums. Not caring brought us someone wanting to spend eight plus billion dollars on a wall that accomplishes nothing but taking away money for necessary items. Not caring is what keeps career politicians in place in national government who most of us believe care more about feeding at the public trough than doing what they were sent to DC to accomplish in the first place. What the super rich of the US hate is an informed electorate. If anything in social media affected the one percent do you think those companies would still be in business?

As long as it confuses us in the blue collar masses and makes enough of us not care to study the issues, look into the past records of potential candidates and check the facts when they come out with blatant lies, the super rich will be on board with social media and we will deserve what we get.
Obamacare was forced on us the eight billion, could be spent elsewhere and is on illegals that flood this country by the thousands. Want to start anywhere how about enforcing the laws we currently have, term limits on politicians and hold the media accountable for what they report, then I think the American people will start to care. Glad I unplugged my TV 17 years ago, just reading these posts makes my head spin. Just read bumper stickers and signs down the highway and I can guess the current president.
 

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I’m right there with ya. I glance at headlines on a couple sites. Maybe read about a particular issue in a couple places and take the two sides, sift through the fertilizer and form an opinion on the matter. I don’t do it often. Maybe every 3-4 days. I can’t stand the BS but don’t want to be uninformed either.
I treat it like scoring ice skating... throw out the highs and lows because the real answer is probably in the middle of the pack.
 

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Not caring is the problem. Not caring brought in Obama care which meant $20,000 a year health insurance premiums. Not caring brought us someone wanting to spend eight plus billion dollars on a wall that accomplishes nothing but taking away money for necessary items. Not caring is what keeps career politicians in place in national government who most of us believe care more about feeding at the public trough than doing what they were sent to DC to accomplish in the first place. What the super rich of the US hate is an informed electorate. If anything in social media affected the one percent do you think those companies would still be in business?

As long as it confuses us in the blue collar masses and makes enough of us not care to study the issues, look into the past records of potential candidates and check the facts when they come out with blatant lies, the super rich will be on board with social media and we will deserve what we get.
Well, I am of the crowd that caring doesn't do any good. Politicians are professional liars...…...they say what they want to get elected then once in office they just do what they want. The only time they even attempt to look like they care about the people who elected them is when the next election comes around. Politics should have never been allowed to be a career...……...yes I support terms limits for ALL of them 1000%. Politicians get away with murder having the ability to pass laws on the rest of us that don't apply to them. In order to see what is in a healthcare bill we have to pass it first!?? That's downright criminal and they do it without any regard to the voting public. Building a wall accomplishes nothing!? Money for necessary items is being spent taking care of illegal immigrants flooding into this country because there is no boundary. We have ways to immigrate here legally but most don't elect to do so. I'm all ears for another solution that will work, but the only other option I have heard is to just open up the borders and start taking care of everybody that shows up which makes no sense at all when this country is already financially stressed.
Like our current president or not, he has done more for this country than the last 5 presidents combined. He wasn't put in office to be popular...……...he was put in to fight the establishment that has corrupted the government. I am a proud supporter of the current president and proud to be a deplorable. Its the people that are against putting this country and our people 1st that seem to be the problem.
 

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I can't 'say' much without being really polarizing. I'm a righty. I work for a living. I don't expect handouts. Don't mind giving a help up, but not for generations. Get really PO'd when American service men and women have to draw gov't subsidies to make ends meet. They protect us, our borders and our interests. Why the F#$% they aren't better taken care of is beyond me.
As Vetech said, this president has done more for this country in the short time has been in then all of the last 5. No apologies given, 0 f@#$s given. And, and he's done what he promised. Pulled us out of the Paris accord agreement, eased stage 5 emissions. We have steel mills firing up. Automakers are investing in Americans. Trade has been equalized, somewhat. I'm all in for Trump and MAGA.
 

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I can't 'say' much without being really polarizing. I'm a righty. I work for a living. I don't expect handouts. Don't mind giving a help up, but not for generations. Get really PO'd when American service men and women have to draw gov't subsidies to make ends meet. They protect us, our borders and our interests. Why the F#$% they aren't better taken care of is beyond me.
As Vetech said, this president has done more for this country in the short time has been in then all of the last 5. No apologies given, 0 f@#$s given. And, and he's done what he promised. Pulled us out of the Paris accord agreement, eased stage 5 emissions. We have steel mills firing up. Automakers are investing in Americans. Trade has been equalized, somewhat. I'm all in for Trump and MAGA.
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https://www.heavyequipmentforums.com/forums/heavy-equipment-forums-rules-posting-guidelines.113/

Just like the politicians everyone bitches about-rules are not followed here either.
This wasn't intended to be a political debate, just a comparison of how the 2 countries elect their leaders. But like the old saying goes, if you get lost in the woods, just mention politics, and someone will show up to argue with you. If you need to, go ahead and sensor....delete
 

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So why does there have to be blame on anything?

What percentage of the population in Canada vote for their premier? How does that compare with the US? How many US citizens actually voted in 2016? According to Wikipedia the number is just over 55%, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_turnout_in_the_United_States_presidential_elections Are we preventing people from voting or do that many people just not care?

What do the people of Canada think of their mass media? I find the CBC to be very professional and mostly present the facts of news and not the opinions and slants of the individual segments of the organization. I do believe the short time period and unpredictable nature of flash elections. Barely time to raise billions to put on a slick campaign and run a beauty contest like done here.
 

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So why does there have to be blame on anything?

What percentage of the population in Canada vote for their premier? How does that compare with the US? How many US citizens actually voted in 2016? According to Wikipedia the number is just over 55%, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_turnout_in_the_United_States_presidential_elections Are we preventing people from voting or do that many people just not care?

What do the people of Canada think of their mass media? I find the CBC to be very professional and mostly present the facts of news and not the opinions and slants of the individual segments of the organization. I do believe the short time period and unpredictable nature of flash elections. Barely time to raise billions to put on a slick campaign and run a beauty contest like done here.
CBC is owned by the government, so take it from there. There are a lot of similarities between countries. We have a lot more social programs, so we are taxed to death. Now they are going to tax carbon emissions so everything but my wages will go up. For some reason, I am responsible for how indigenous people were treated long before I was born, so I have to share the cost. My home province is pretty much broke because we need 2 hospital systems, and 2 school systems for French and English. Kids that live and play together on the same road have to take separate busses because some politicians decided that because of the language act, separate bussing was their right. The language commissioner practically crippled the ambulance service in this province because there were not enough French speaking paramedics on staff. It wasn't enough to have French staff in French areas, and it took a court of law to get the service going again, French or not. We can't carry hand guns, and I think it's a big deal just to own one paperwork wise, but we can legally carry and smoke dope though, figure that one out. We have a boat load of oil and natural gas, but the environmentalists won't let it leave the west. Oh and our politicians can stay in office as long as they get the vote. Oh and the Premiere is like the governor of the province and the Prime minister is the leader of the country. We don't vote for the Premiere or the prime minister. They are the leaders of their party, but they still have to win their seat in their riding. It's a flawed system, because if I like the PM, I might have to vote for someone in my riding that I don't like in order to get his party in.
 
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There should be a political section! Why not!?

I hate to say it but this site has been pretty boring as of late.... A little political discussion might perk things up!!!

This HEF not Face Book, Twitter, Fox News, CNN or MSNBC-I for one don't want to read about someone else's political opinion, those are like a$$ holes everybody has one.
I was on three other forums five years ago, two motorcycle and one mopar. All three had political sections but as time went by political views crept into threads that were just honest
questions of mechanical problems. Pretty soon it was {I expect that from a from a left winger or a right winger} in a sarcastic reply. The stuff never stays put in one section.
BMT is one forum that I only visit rarely anymore, mainly to look at photos of old Mack trucks. The crap is everywhere on that forum, a bunch of good ole boys talking out
their a$$. It will cause members to stray eventually, most people come on HEF to get away from it all. I know I do. But I find that reason less and less as time goes by.
 

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My understanding on this forum is political talk is allowed as long as it relates to the heavy equipment industry .
You can state an opinion , share a story but you have to play nice while doing it .

I'm cool with that and members & mods do a great job . :cool:

Hey , I like to hear other peoples take on a subject and how it effects them .:)
 

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As politically charged as everything is around us it’s really hard to keep it from seeping in. Seems to me that just about every country is in some form of upheaval. I’m not sure what to make of it all. There are days I’m like f**k it. It’ll be what it’ll be, I can’t control any of it. Other days I think of my kids and if they have kids. What will they be coming into?

When I’m in a positive mood I feel like this is another round of BS and things will settle back into a calmer period. I’ll save my actual opinion on why things are the way they are.....

The LAST thing I’d ever want to be a part of is somebody leaving the forum. I have so much respect for y’all that I’d hate to see anymore leave. We’ve already lost some great guys. I don’t want anymore to go. I mean think of it this way.....if too many leave then I’m the senior guy. That’s a scary thought! Haha
 

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I think just general comments on things that are going on is OK but going into debates about who is right and who is wrong is where things go off the rails. Religion and politics can turn friends into enemies faster than anything else.
 
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