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Waste Oil?

Wastepro

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Winston Salem, NC
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Recycling
Hey wanted to see what others are doing with waste oil at the moment. When oil prices were sky high a few years ago we had it unloaded for $0.50/ Gallon to us! Now the same people want to charge me to come out and get it.

Anybody got any cheap good ideas? Oil furnace, trade to someone with oil furnace, and etc? Please no dumb answers like "put it on the road"

We have Several barrels full.
 

John Shipp

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England
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forestry contracting
The last 10 years we've given ours to a local workshop, instead of paying to have it taken away. But that place is now new houses, so we're considering getting a oil furnace of some type for ourselves.

For now we're just saving it up.
 

RZucker

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I have nice clean reliable propane heat in my shop. But I have 3 dealer shops that fight for my waste oil, and will send a truck out to pick it up. No muss, no fuss, and no mess.
 

crane operator

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Every time I look at waste oil burners, they are $3,000 and it just doesn't get that cold here usually. That buys a lot of propane. Everyone I talk to that has a waste oil burner, says that they are finicky and they're always fixing. Plugged nozzels, air fuel/ oil mixture, antifreeze in the oil, igniters, etc.

I've just been buying the big plastic totes that you can carry around with the forklift, and filling them up. I'll either end up with a waste oil burner, or find someone that has one and just give it to them.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but if I buy oil someplace, don't they now have to accept used oil? The local oriellys stores all have a tank now. I could just drop off a tote for them......
 

walkerv

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We get charged the safety clean truck fee for waste oil removal most peoplewould get charged on top of that but its a national acct for us
 

kshansen

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Central New York, USA
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Retired Mechanic in Stone Quarry
The shop in the quarry where I worked for the last at least 30 years used "used oil furnaces" for heat. Had two 500,000 BTU units! Usually one was enough to keep a comfortable temp except when wind was strong, roll up doors big enough to drive a 773 G through and a ceiling height enough to raise same trucks dump body full up can be rough on heating system!

Ours were CleanBurn brand and I won't say they were trouble free but about 80% of the problems I put off to poor control of what oil was dumped in the "Used Oil" tank. I really don't think they are supposed to be used to run on 80W-90 gear oil which many times would get into the tank.

I'm thinking that in NC your need for heat is nowhere what it is up here in Central NY so might not be worth the upfront cost and maintenance required.

You may have noticed I used the words "used oil" and not the "w" word! At least in our company we were told that if you marked a barrel with the "w" word and the wrong person say it it could cause all kinds of extra problems EPA or some other government organization. If we had oil that was contaminated somehow that we did not want to put it through the furnace, say antifreeze fro bad cooler or very dirty or ground up metal, we always just marked it as Un-burnable USED OIL and never had a problem!
 

John C.

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Out here I used to have a guy that picked it up and sold to the ships that came into the ports. They would burn it when they got outside of our territorial waters. I think he went away because some law was changed but I'm not sure.

Out here local pick up service uses a sniffer to sample air from the top of the tank before they pick it up. Things like brake clean will make the alarm go off and then the pick up people want thousands of dollars to decontaminate your waste oil and tanks. I got where I just left the cover off the tank for a day or so before they came to get the oil.

Then I found out that they don't decontaminate anything. They just dump the oil into a bigger tank which drops the percentage of contamination down below limits and they treat you like you are poisoning the world. I used another service after that who used a different sniffer and it never showed any contamination.

Just another pollution racket to screw an unknowing business and public.
 

repowerguy

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United States southern Ohio
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mixer truck mechanic
Depending on the amount you generate, maybe a centrifuge like I’ve seen advertised and make your own black diesel fuel?
I’ve put hydraulic oil and cleanish used crankcase oil in my old 310 and 450 Deeres and it was just fine aside from maybe a little shorter fuel filter life.
 

Randy88

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Not sure how large your barrels are, but have you tried to advertise them in the local newspaper, or on craigslist, free to a good home. Around here they are plenty of places that take it for free, but with insurance companies clamping down on waste oil burners and forcing many larger shops to get rid of them, and fire marshals are also stepping up and forcing business's to get rid of not only the oil burners, but stock piles of waste oil as well, the next few years might get interesting on dealing with used oil if they don't have a place that will take it for free. I've also heard there are places that are now charging quite a bit to come get used oil, where they used to pay the person for the oil.

Before I'd recommend buying a waste oil burner, I'd ask a lot of questions to your insurance company and city or township reps to see if they plan on banning them in the upcoming years, might want to ask the local fire marshal as well, it would sure hurt to buy a waste oil furnace and not allowed to use it for more than a couple years.

Free to any home is your best bet, just not sure what or who you have near you that wants or needs it.
 

Jonas302

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Ask your oil supplier they will usually take it back Probably not as many furnaces down there in MN its easy to get someone to pick it up
 

Junkyard

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Claremore, OK
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We used to get paid for it. Now they charge us to pick it up. I have a handy racket going at my shop....same company that picks it up in Joplin has a truck down here in Ne OK. He swings by every 3-4 months and sucks up what I have. I don't know if he adds it to the MF bill, somebody else's bill or just does it.....I've yet to see a bill!!
 

td25c

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indiana
Just another pollution racket to screw an unknowing business and public.

Not waste oil related but ran in to a situation last summer loading some old natural gas boilers out of a factory .

We moved the boilers out & loaded them on the scrap trailer .

Iron scrapper comes back about a week later with a story the boilers were radioactive & had to go to extra trouble removing the contaminated iron from them ........

I looked at the CEO of the company and we were both thinking the same thing . " BS"!

CEO says ... " you know , all we wanted were the boilers removed & hauled to the scrap yard " .

" If ya don't want to pay us for the scrap iron just say so up front "

" No need to lay down some long BS story about why you don't want to pay us for the scrap iron value " .:)
 

ScottAR

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NE Arkansas
We have a local guy that picks it up for free. I hear he's putting a real dent into safety kleen. He'll even bring a shop a barrel or a tote.
 

DIYDAVE

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I don't run into more than about 5 gals/year, so I just save it up, and use it in the woodstove, in the shop, starts fires real good...
 

crane operator

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Hmm.. Old doug has problems getting rid of old tires, I've got some waste oil, its been cloudy and dark- rainy- weather here a lot lately,




No, no , no- you can't think things like that anymore...........
 

kshansen

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I don't run into more than about 5 gals/year, so I just save it up, and use it in the woodstove, in the shop, starts fires real good...
Well my dad said his dad on the farm up in Minnesota back in the 1930's had a good way to drive the chill out of the farmhouse on cold mornings. He tossed a couple chunks of cut up tires in the wood-stove.

Another thing that helped heat the house was the wood stove was in the living room at the east end of the house and the stove pipe from the stove went across the room up near the ceiling to the west end of the house to get to the chimney for the kitchen wood stove! Being a two story house that helped warm the upstairs. How they never burned that old house down I don't know!
 

Bumpsteer

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I've heated my shop with waste oil over 20 years, this is my 2nd Clean Burn furnace. Pretty trouble free over 10100 hrs.

Usually use around 600 gallons per season, heating a 36 x 64 x 10' ceiling insulated area. Kept at 62 minimum.

Getting the oil is not hard, several hardcore diy'er friends, farmer friends and a local school system bus garage.

I've got it from the bus garage for so long, nobody knows they even have it....lol.

Ed
 

Randy88

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TD25C, all the scrap yards here have radiation detectors right at the scale as you pull on, if the load is has any in it, the whole load is rejected, as in it goes to the hazmat center and its so much a pound to dispose of it, and yes the seller is paying the bill. If they can figure out what on the load is giving it off, they have lately been unloading and trying to sort it out and then run the stuff they feel isn't radioactive back through the sensor again, but the seller is billed for all of this and in the end, the seller pays the scrap yard not the other way around.

In order to eliminate this, we've been taking our own stuff down, if the load is "hot" we bring it back home and try to sort it ourselves, the scrap yard will tell you what is normally hot and just sort those items back out and load it again and drive it back to the scrap yard to try the sensor again.

That sensor is so sensitive even the driver themselves can't have gone through any radiation treatments for cancer in the last year or more or they'll set off the sensor as they drive through the scale.

Its not all BS, the reason for this is to keep anything radioactive out of the shredder and out of the press that bales the scrap and off the loads headed to the foundries, because if they hit the foundry and there's even one chunk of radioactive metal in the whole load, it'll set off the detectors and the whole load is rejected, once shredded and baled, then that whole load goes to hazmat and its so much a pound to dispose of it, far more expensive than the value of the load of scrap in disposal fee's alone.

All the scrap yard is trying to do is obey the law and not be held responsible for someone else's radioactive stuff and have to pay that high disposal fee.
 

thepumpguysc

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I know this is "bass-ackwards" but my old company didn't generate enough oil during the year to run the 2 waste oil heaters & we ended up begging for it..
You'd be surprised how cold Charleston gets in the winter.. granted its short term.. but still cold.
 

Randy88

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Crane Operator, I'm told that after dark, those laws no longer apply like they do in the daylight, and for future reference, you never lit the fire, your only controlling it so it doesn't get out of hand and the fire department doesn't have to come.
 
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