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Pre Purchase Help

DirtCrawler

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Need some pre purchase skid steer advice.

First off let me say that im not partial to any brand at this point, as this would be my first skid.
I’ve looked at Bobcat, Caterpillar, & New Holland so far. Case would be another possibility but closest dealer does not have anything to look at.
Leaning toward either Bobcat or Caterpillar
Would mainly be owner operated +1 maybe.

Need some help in determining what exactly I need / don’t need spec wise
I have determined that I do want, 2 Speed, Air/Heat, Quick attachment hook up.
Need help with size machine(Lift), HP, Torque, Hydraulic power one brand vs another.

Thanks
 

lumberjack

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What's your intended application? I'm in Mississippi, the Kubota dealer I use for purchases/parts is in Pennsylvania.

I bought a loaded Kubota SVL90-2 April 1st, loaded KX057 December 5th. Traded a machine in both times.
 

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If you can tell us in detail what you want to do with the machine that would help.
 

DirtCrawler

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It all started when the plow truck broke down this past winter.....Had to rent a skid steer to help me out. Amazing...

Well I know there's alot of attachments available, at least for the bobcat machines. As I was just looking thru their attachment catalog to get some ideas.
I cant possibly image that I would own all of them as I would assume some are quite expensive and unless im using them a lot then it may not be worth the ownership cost vs just may want to rent them now and again when needed.

but so far for sure
Push Snow - Push Box at least 8ft wide / V-blade / Snow bucket
Post Hole Digger
Power Broom / w Angle?
Forks

Blade Grader
Chipper
Stump Grinder
 

lumberjack

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With the chipper and stump grinder, you'll want high flow, it won't hurt on the post hole digger. If you're not going to be working in adverse conditions (soft ground, steep hills, high tractive effort) and since you're plowing snow, you'll want tires.

Will the grader be laser guided or manual?

If I was going for a new wheeled machine, the Gehl V440 would be on the list. it specs quite well with 99hp and 12' of lift height. Should be under ~$70k for a well spec'ed machine.
 

DirtCrawler

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I rented a BC S220 this past winter, not sure what year it was. For all the snow that I had to deal with it worked well for that purpose using a 8ft push box. Faster than a plow truck too !!
So Id like to get something comparable I think in regards to specs I guess. The farthest Id have to push snow would be around 390 ft

Just looked up a price on a grader and it was like 9g. :eek: Not sure Ill be purchasing one of those, may just rent it when needed.
I need to add that this machine will not be used as a income producing unit. Rather a unit to use for various jobs around our property so that we dont have to hire it out(like snow plowing). Income Saving I guess so to speak.
Im not sure I really need a 99hp skid steer

Thanks
 

DirtCrawler

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Not sure about the lift capacity of it, but when I asked the rental guy he said it was around 70hp, (are all S220 the same Hp or did they change from year to year?.) and he said it was considered a large frame machine.

Well ive looked at both new and used.
New ive looked at a Bobcat S590 / Cat 242D / NH L218
Used ive only looked at a BC S650, havent looked at any used Cats.
However the price of the used S650 is more than the that of the new Cat 242D (difference being the BC had high flow and digital read out display)

'New' opens a can of worms with all the extra epa stuff on them. Bobcat I don't think has a DPF exhaust filter to worry about vs the cat will need to be cleaned at like 1500 hrs and replaced at 3000 hrs.
Cat dealer mentioned too, that the bobcat regen system starts up every 15hrs of use, and sucks up some hp from the machine while its in regen mode. Then said the Cat D series when run at more than half throttle is always cleaning and there is no regen period like the BC. Not sure how true those statements are? Im assuming in either case and either machine its burning more fuel.
 

Digdeep

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Not sure about the lift capacity of it, but when I asked the rental guy he said it was around 70hp, (are all S220 the same Hp or did they change from year to year?.) and he said it was considered a large frame machine.

Well ive looked at both new and used.
New ive looked at a Bobcat S590 / Cat 242D / NH L218
Used ive only looked at a BC S650, havent looked at any used Cats.
However the price of the used S650 is more than the that of the new Cat 242D (difference being the BC had high flow and digital read out display)

'New' opens a can of worms with all the extra epa stuff on them. Bobcat I don't think has a DPF exhaust filter to worry about vs the cat will need to be cleaned at like 1500 hrs and replaced at 3000 hrs.
Cat dealer mentioned too, that the bobcat regen system starts up every 15hrs of use, and sucks up some hp from the machine while its in regen mode. Then said the Cat D series when run at more than half throttle is always cleaning and there is no regen period like the BC. Not sure how true those statements are? Im assuming in either case and either machine its burning more fuel.

The Cat DPFs don't need to be cleaned at 1500hrs. My buddy sells them in Wisconsin and they have 242Ds in Dairies pushing 2500hrs and they have not had to be cleaned yet. The cleaning interval depends on the exhaust gas temps and how hard you work your machine when its running. I also have multiple buddies still selling Bobcats (I used to be a Bobcat salesman with them) and the new Tier IV Bobcats derate in cold weather until the engine is running hot enough. This is in right in their the OMM and the machine beeps at you when it derates. He said when it was cold this winter they had customers waiting up to an hour of running before the machine wouldn't derate anymore.
 

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The Cat DPFs don't need to be cleaned at 1500hrs. My buddy sells them in Wisconsin and they have 242Ds in Dairies pushing 2500hrs and they have not had to be cleaned yet. The cleaning interval depends on the exhaust gas temps and how hard you work your machine when its running. I also have multiple buddies still selling Bobcats (I used to be a Bobcat salesman with them) and the new Tier IV Bobcats derate in cold weather until the engine is running hot enough. This is in right in their the OMM and the machine beeps at you when it derates. He said when it was cold this winter they had customers waiting up to an hour of running before the machine wouldn't derate anymore.

Wouldnt a block heater take care of that issue on waiting for a warm up before using.
And wouldnt the cat have the same issue if the engine wasnt warm enough.
 

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If all you said you need a machine for is true, you could get away with a radial lift machine. They have fewer moving parts and less grease points.
As for the DPF my Case SR200 is new and has no filter, no derating required. Maybe you could source a new machine without DPF? I don't know about the rules in the USA but it was still available in Canada.
As for the high flow, that will entirely depend on what attachments you will be using.
If you are planing on moving snow this coming winter numerous operators in our area are using winter tires. I was quoted $2000.00 for the tires and rims this spring and decided that I would wait till fall.
If buying new THE DEALER IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN BRAND, they all look good new and "never break down" lol. But when they do will your dealer provide you with a loner while yours is down? Will they give you fast and fair service? These are just some questions you need have answered.
If buying used and your not familiar with a machines then find someone who operates them daily who could test drive and give you an idea if the unit is tight and good. You don't sound like someone looking for a project that will "run sometimes" but will need a lot of work to get it "running al the time".
 

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Wouldnt a block heater take care of that issue on waiting for a warm up before using.
And wouldnt the cat have the same issue if the engine wasnt warm enough.

It derates because the exhaust gas temps are too low. Has nothing to do with oil at start-up. This is because their Tier IV machines do not have a DPF. Cat's machines have a DPF and don't rely on higher exhaust gas temps to burn off the particulate matter (PM) because the DPF stops the ash (PM).
 

DirtCrawler

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It derates because the exhaust gas temps are too low. Has nothing to do with oil at start-up. This is because their Tier IV machines do not have a DPF. Cat's machines have a DPF and don't rely on higher exhaust gas temps to burn off the particulate matter (PM) because the DPF stops the ash (PM).

Ok good to know info there..

but the Cat still needs to regen right?

Cat dealer mentioned too, that the bobcat regen system starts up every 15hrs of use, and sucks up some hp from the machine while its in regen mode. Then said the Cat D series when run at more than half throttle is always cleaning and there is no regen period like the BC. Not sure how true those statements are? Im assuming in either case and either machine its burning more fuel.
Can you or anyone shed some light on this part.


Also looking for some feedback on the following specs
Does anyone know how the specs of a Cat 242d compare to a Bobcat S590
Specifically

Bobcat S590
66 Hp not sure if its GROSS or NET ?
Weight 6735 lbs
2100 lbs Rated Operating Capacity
Hydraulic pressure 3500 psi
Standard flow 17.1 gpm - Hydraulic Power UNKNOWN ?
High flow 26.7 gpm - Hydraulic Power UNKNOWN ?
Torque UNKNOWN ?
Says they have fast cycle times
Says they have stronger Hydraulics
Breakout Force UNKNOWN ?

Cat 242D
74.3 hp Gross
Weight 6980 lbs
2150 lbs Rated Operating Capacity
Hydraulic pressure 3335 psi
Standard flow 20 gpm - Hydraulic power 39 hp
High flow 30 gpm - Hydraulic power 58 hp
Peak Torque - 195 lbs @ 1500rpm
Breakout Force - 5034 lb
 

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1st, never listen to a salesman's pitch. Some are right, most are very far in left field especially when it comes to knowledge of emissions systems. Cat uses a DPF which does not require frequent servicing off the machine but depending on operating conditions may require a regen on the machine. It will beep at you, illuminate a light and you simply increase the throttle into the green area and keep operating while it regens. If you park the machine and let it idle it may go into its own regen mode as well after a certain period of time. You can also choose to do a parked regen if you wish.

If you work the machine hard, you will not have to worry about regens a much. It doesn't appear to be a big issue on the D series SSL's.

I know Bobcat's machines under 75hp do not use a DPF, but I don't know enough about their systems operation to comment. CNH is using a smorgasbord and confusing terminology on their Tier 4F machines. Hard to really tell but it sounds like a tradition DPF to me.

I like the D series Cat's but the C's and C2's were good too without emissions stuff if that concerns you. 246C,246C2 or 246D would all suit your needs well. If you feel you need vertical lift than the 242D would be the best bet.

The M series Bobcats like you are looking at are top notch as well, but I wouldn't pay extra for one.

Service is important on new machines, many will need a dealer once and awhile so having one withing a reasonable distance for your needs is important.

As for options, these will be geared towards Cat but some apply to other machines.

2 speed no matter what, especially plowing snow. Resale often offsets the initial cost of 2 speed anyways.

Cab with Heat is usually nice for snow, don't know many plowing without them anymore. On the C and D series Cat's, the cabs are so tight as it is you might as well add the A/C for summer work. Then you can keep the door on, stay cool and keep the cab clean.

Air Ride seat is very nice, cloth is even nicer, Cat offers heat now too. Heated seat is nice for jumping in an out, anymore than a few minutes though and your butt will be burning in most machines.

If you get the cab package with A/C and such on the Cat I believe it comes radio ready. The location is kind of poor but allows you to use any Single Din radio. The D series has bluetooth as well and the microphone is mounted in from of you on the right a pillar under screen and throttle.

Advanced display is up to you, for working in tight areas plowing you may like the backup camera option especially with the big rear end on the Cat's. You can also program operators but in your case that does not sound like an issue. Being able to set ride control speeds, creeper speeds and joystick response settings is nice. I cannot remember if the standard panel lets you adjust the joysticks or not, but I know its limited.

Ride control is nice if you lift and carry stuff for any sort of distance. In the past you needed AMICS, not sure how the D series are setup completely. An Adjustable Creeper speed was also part of AMICS which is nice for when you need slow ground speeds for long periods.

You will want the auxillary electric control if you plan to use an angle broom or any other attachments that require more than one hydraulic function.

Hi Flow will only be needed for the stump grinder and chipper. For the minimal use those may see and the high cost of those attachements as well as adding Hi Flow you may find it's not worth it and cheaper to rent them or hire them out.
 

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Obliviously both Cat and Bobcat have good and bad in regards to certain features.
Some general observations on my part. Feel free to comment.


Cat242D Vs Bobcat S590
Both Machines are Vertical lift – 2 Speed – Heat/AC

ENGINE
BOBCAT traverse mounted engine allows for easy access for maintenance. But has a belt to drive the unit that could wear ,break, stretch.
Vs CAT No belt to drive the unit but maintenance items may not be as handy. Looks like the oil filter in the 242D is going to be a bear to get to.

CAT has a one piece hydro/radiator but not stacked.
vs BOBCAT has two separate radiators. But are stacked on top of each other. If you develop issues with the Cat radiator the whole thing needs replaced. vs the BOBCAT, replace which ever one.(if this is issue)??

BOBCAT draws air in from the top and out thru the sides of the unit. Better cooling?
Vs CAT draws air in from the rear past the engine then out. Excessive engine heat?
Would the BOBCAT have an issue in the winter if that deck area is full of snow?

CAT looks to have more horsepower
50 lbs more ROC
and also higher flow rates with standard flow and also with high flow if you get it

BOBCAT has higher hydraulic pressure.
Don’t know how much torque, hydraulic horsepower, or breakout force vs the CAT

CAT has a electronic priming pump


CONTROLS
CAT controls are more fluid, vs BOBCAT more jerky.

BOBCAT seems roomer when getting in the seat. Controls are more outward vs CAT controls are slightly tilted inward where they don’t offer as much room to get in the seat.

However since cat controls are slightly tilted inward may offer less strain after running after several hours?

BOBCAT joystick controls are clearly labeled what the buttons are for. Vs CAT which has nothing.

BOBCAT joysticks controls have far more buttons for other features ??? vs CAT controls have less buttons on their joysticks.


INTERIOR
Seat is way more comfy on the CAT, higher back seat also.
However seat in BOBCAT seems to go back farther (long legs)
Flat floor in CAT vs not in BOBCAT
Like how the controls move with the seat with the CAT vs not with the BOBCAT
Radio placement in the CAT sucks. However I can replace with any radio I want if it wears out.
Like the swiches in the BOBCAT better running down the edge of the windows columns, all you have to do is look forward to see your switches vs the CAT in the headers on either side. Look around to find a switch I guess until you learn where they are located.
BOBCAT quick attach button is a joy to use vs the CAT seems more un-user friendly and with it up in the header.
BOBCAT clearer vision out the front window to the bucket, however the big motor box for the wiper eats up a lot of that.
BOBCAT has a nice array of heat and air vents throughout the unit, (lower/header/rear window) Vs Cat just has the ones on either side of your legs. Will I have a problem with the rear window fogging up in the winter?
Are your legs the coldest/warmest because of placement?
BOBCAT rear end is not as high up in the back so looking out the back window offers clearer vision then on the CAT.
BOBCAT looking out the rear window it appears that the horizontal bar for the vertical lift systems is more out of your view Vs the CAT where it appears to be more in the middle of the rear window view.

CAT has a nice rear view mirror in the cab vs none in BOBCAT, not sure you could even mount one in the BOBCAT.

CAT speakers are behind your head Vs BOBCAT speakers down below your kneecaps

CAT 12volt power accessory is up out of the way with a cubby next to it to put your phone in VS BOBCAT 12 volt is down next to radio but no where to put a phone if you want to charge it.
However if you want to hook up your phone/player to the radio for music playback while charging then the BOBCAT wins vs CAT where the radio is all the way to the back of the cabin.

What’s my rear window visibility going to be like after a night of plowing snow with snow built up on the rear engine with either machine.


EXTERIOR
Loader Arms.
All the skid steers I’ve seen have about 2 to 3 inch box frame down where the loader arms end. With the pins passing all thru this area.
The Cat 242D looks to have less than an inch thick of steel at the end of the loader arm, So Im guessing the pins are smaller in this area and is the area more prone to weakness due to not having a fully boxed frame in that area??

BOBCAT Quick Attach is easier to operate, switch is next to front window(right side) and its easy to see when attachment is hooked up because you can see the bobtach arms move on the attachment .
CAT attachment switch is in the headliner and on the left side, hard to tell if attachment is indeed hooked up.
Axles on the bobcat appear to be welded on to the side of the machine Cats are bolted on. Not sure how axle sizes compare.

BOBCAT appears to have a lower center of gravity, but looks more tail heavy.

BOBCAT I think is easier to get into the cab with its steps, CAT has a high step.
Which brings up another thought does the step just under the door on the front of the cat tend to fill up with debris (dirt/snow). If so it seems like it would cause issues with the door/window down the road with wear and tear.

CAT has a cross member on the front of the loader arms that I guess is to protect the hydraulic cylinders. And add rigidity to the loader arms. Im not sure how much of an issue that cross member is when you are lifting/dumping and the loader arms are up to the point where that cross member is in your view. BOBCAT doesn’t have this cross member on their skids.

BOBCAT LITURATURE Says
No Maintatenace Axle Bearings – Never needs greasing
Tougher Axles
Chaincase never needs adjustments
Uses largest chains in the industry
 

Digdeep

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Obliviously both Cat and Bobcat have good and bad in regards to certain features.
Some general observations on my part. Feel free to comment.


Cat242D Vs Bobcat S590
Both Machines are Vertical lift – 2 Speed – Heat/AC

ENGINE
BOBCAT traverse mounted engine allows for easy access for maintenance. But has a belt to drive the unit that could wear ,break, stretch.
Vs CAT No belt to drive the unit but maintenance items may not be as handy. Looks like the oil filter in the 242D is going to be a bear to get to. I watched a technician change it easily with a strap.

CAT has a one piece hydro/radiator but not stacked.
vs BOBCAT has two separate radiators. But are stacked on top of each other. If you develop issues with the Cat radiator the whole thing needs replaced. vs the BOBCAT, replace which ever one.(if this is issue)?? I don't see this as an issue, but I have seen dozens of bobcat radiators/coolers plugged and damaged because they are flimsy cooling fins and cleaning them is not an easy chore. Also, the Bobcat pulls air down through the coolers so any debris in the air gets pulled down along with gravity. The Cat radiator is beefier, has no exposed fins and any debris will have to go through the rear door and have to get pulled "up" against gravity". It can plug, but not as easily.

BOBCAT draws air in from the top and out thru the sides of the unit. Better cooling?I would bet that Cat has engineered an efficient cooling system.
Vs CAT draws air in from the rear past the engine then out. Excessive engine heat?
Would the BOBCAT have an issue in the winter if that deck area is full of snow?

CAT looks to have more horsepower
50 lbs more ROC
and also higher flow rates with standard flow and also with high flow if you get itCat also has standard piston pumps on all their D series vs gear pumps. more efficient and uses less fuel.

BOBCAT has higher hydraulic pressure.
Don’t know how much torque, hydraulic horsepower, or breakout force vs the CAT

CAT has a electronic priming pumppriming the Bobcat is a two person job and makes a mess. I also noticed that the bleed scree is very difficult to even get to behind the door latch


CONTROLS
CAT controls are more fluid, vs BOBCAT more jerky.

BOBCAT seems roomer when getting in the seat. Controls are more outward vs CAT controls are slightly tilted inward where they don’t offer as much room to get in the seat.

However since cat controls are slightly tilted inward may offer less strain after running after several hours?

BOBCAT joystick controls are clearly labeled what the buttons are for. Vs CAT which has nothing.The Cat machine has decals on the window near the joysticks that explains each of the button functions.

BOBCAT joysticks controls have far more buttons for other features ??? vs CAT controls have less buttons on their joysticks. The joysticks on the Cat have all the functions needed to run attachments


INTERIOR
Seat is way more comfy on the CAT, higher back seat also.It's heated too :)
However seat in BOBCAT seems to go back farther (long legs)
Flat floor in CAT vs not in BOBCAT
Like how the controls move with the seat with the CAT vs not with the BOBCATThe other thing I like about the Cat controls is that you can individually adjust each joystick out or in based on preference. And like you said they also are attached to the air ride seat and move with you vs the static joysticks on the Bobcat that stay stationary when the seat goes up and down. This means more comfort.
Radio placement in the CAT sucks. However I can replace with any radio I want if it wears out.The Cat radio is also Bluetooth and you can take your calls and listen to your iPhone music. :)
Like the swiches in the BOBCAT better running down the edge of the windows columns, all you have to do is look forward to see your switches vs the CAT in the headers on either side. Look around to find a switch I guess until you learn where they are located.
BOBCAT quick attach button is a joy to use vs the CAT seems more un-user friendly and with it up in the header.
BOBCAT clearer vision out the front window to the bucket, however the big motor box for the wiper eats up a lot of that.
BOBCAT has a nice array of heat and air vents throughout the unit, (lower/header/rear window) Vs Cat just has the ones on either side of your legs. Will I have a problem with the rear window fogging up in the winter?
Are your legs the coldest/warmest because of placement?
BOBCAT rear end is not as high up in the back so looking out the back window offers clearer vision then on the CAT.The Cat is the only one that offers a OEM rear camera and there is not one signle blind spot between the standard convex mirror and the camera. You actually don't even need to crane your neck to reverse the machine.
BOBCAT looking out the rear window it appears that the horizontal bar for the vertical lift systems is more out of your view Vs the CAT where it appears to be more in the middle of the rear window view.

CAT has a nice rear view mirror in the cab vs none in BOBCAT, not sure you could even mount one in the BOBCAT.

CAT speakers are behind your head Vs BOBCAT speakers down below your kneecaps

CAT 12volt power accessory is up out of the way with a cubby next to it to put your phone in VS BOBCAT 12 volt is down next to radio but no where to put a phone if you want to charge it.
However if you want to hook up your phone/player to the radio for music playback while charging then the BOBCAT wins vs CAT where the radio is all the way to the back of the cabin.The Cat radio is Bluetooth enabled and you can just sync your phone to the radio to play your music.

What’s my rear window visibility going to be like after a night of plowing snow with snow built up on the rear engine with either machine.


EXTERIOR
Loader Arms.
All the skid steers I’ve seen have about 2 to 3 inch box frame down where the loader arms end. With the pins passing all thru this area.
The Cat 242D looks to have less than an inch thick of steel at the end of the loader arm, So Im guessing the pins are smaller in this area and is the area more prone to weakness due to not having a fully boxed frame in that area??The pins are the same size and the loader arm is plate steel over an inch thick. I would guess that Cat understands loader structures given their history with large machines.

BOBCAT Quick Attach is easier to operate, switch is next to front window(right side) and its easy to see when attachment is hooked up because you can see the bobtach arms move on the attachment .
CAT attachment switch is in the headliner and on the left side, hard to tell if attachment is indeed hooked up.
Axles on the bobcat appear to be welded on to the side of the machine Cats are bolted on. Not sure how axle sizes compare.

BOBCAT appears to have a lower center of gravity, but looks more tail heavy.

BOBCAT I think is easier to get into the cab with its steps, CAT has a high step.
Which brings up another thought does the step just under the door on the front of the cat tend to fill up with debris (dirt/snow). If so it seems like it would cause issues with the door/window down the road with wear and tear.

CAT has a cross member on the front of the loader arms that I guess is to protect the hydraulic cylinders. And add rigidity to the loader arms. Im not sure how much of an issue that cross member is when you are lifting/dumping and the loader arms are up to the point where that cross member is in your view. BOBCAT doesn’t have this cross member on their skids.

BOBCAT LITURATURE Says
No Maintatenace Axle Bearings – Never needs greasing
Tougher Axles
Chaincase never needs adjustments
Uses largest chains in the industryI've never seen a chain that doesn't stretch at some point and I know of plenty of Bobcats having sold them that needed chains replaced.

Very good review.
 

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Looks like Im leaning towards the CAT
242D or 246D
2 Speed
Heat/AC
Auxiliary Electric Control
Quick Coupler (electric)
H2 Package - (Standard Flow Hydraulics, Single Direction Self Level(raise), Electronic Snubbing(raise/lower))


However I need some help determining some things before I order.

1. Do I need Radial (246D) or Vertical lift (242D)
Not sure which is best way to go.
Not sure what the cost difference is, one vs the other.

According to the brochures that I have
Radial - Clearance at maximum lift and dump 97.1
Vertical - Clearance at maximum lift and dump 90.0
Radial – has longer wheelbase (better ride?)
Radial – Higher pin height

Also Radial has
2321 more breakout force
444 pounds more machine weight
3 more gal minute standard flow
5 more hp hydraulic power w/ standard flow
High flow (if needed)
2 more gal minute high flow
18 more hydraulic power w/ high flow
726 more psi w/ high flow

2. Do I need High Flow? Im still at a loss on this, been told, ‘don’t need it’ to ‘get it’.

3.10 or 12 inch tires any advantage either way– will I have more ground speed going with the 12inch tires?

4. Cat installed Radio/w bluetooth vs Aftermarket installed myself.
Quoted almost 500.00 for a Cat radio with Bluetooth.
Can you put your own radio/speakers in? and hook up the Bluetooth. Plug n Play? Where are the speakers suppose to be located?

5. Im going to get 2 speed but do I need Ride Control?

6. Do I need the Variable Speed Demand Fan (242D only). What’s this going to do for me or not do?

7. Cat installed Camera quoted 380.00 vs Aftermarket, salesman says camera comes with the Cat Advanced Display.

Which leads me to if Im already putting the advanced display in should I just get the

8. Advanced Display with all the other operator adjustments, are they needed.

Thanks
 

Digdeep

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Looks like Im leaning towards the CAT
242D or 246D
2 Speed
Heat/AC
Auxiliary Electric Control
Quick Coupler (electric)
H2 Package - (Standard Flow Hydraulics, Single Direction Self Level(raise), Electronic Snubbing(raise/lower))


However I need some help determining some things before I order.

1. Do I need Radial (246D) or Vertical lift (242D)
Not sure which is best way to go.
Not sure what the cost difference is, one vs the other.This is the age old question. If you will doing more loading into a truck the vertical will offer better dump reach. The radial will have better reach at flatbed truck height for taking pallets off. both are just fine for digging. Vertical lift machines usually have a higher purchase price.

According to the brochures that I have
Radial - Clearance at maximum lift and dump 97.1
Vertical - Clearance at maximum lift and dump 90.0
Radial – has longer wheelbase (better ride?)The longer wheel base will offer a smoother ride, but they have slightly more tire wear.
Radial – Higher pin height

Also Radial has
2321 more breakout force
444 pounds more machine weight
3 more gal minute standard flow
5 more hp hydraulic power w/ standard flow
High flow (if needed)
2 more gal minute high flow
18 more hydraulic power w/ high flow
726 more psi w/ high flow

2. Do I need High Flow? Im still at a loss on this, been told, ‘don’t need it’ to ‘get it’.High flow is a nice option if you see an opportunity down the line to expand what you can do. It also will help in the resale value of the machine.

3.10 or 12 inch tires any advantage either way– will I have more ground speed going with the 12inch tires?12" tires will have a slightly faster ground speed than 10" tires. A little more ground clearance and a little more flotation in soft dirt.

4. Cat installed Radio/w bluetooth vs Aftermarket installed myself.
Quoted almost 500.00 for a Cat radio with Bluetooth.
Can you put your own radio/speakers in? and hook up the Bluetooth. Plug n Play? Where are the speakers suppose to be located? I think Cat uses a radio housing that allows for aftermarket stereos- DIN style which I think fits a standard radio. Not sure about the speakers. As long as the radio has Bluetooth you can sync your phone to it so you can make and take calls and play your iPhone music.

5. Im going to get 2 speed but do I need Ride Control?Ride control is nice if you will be moving material over any distance. The Cat ridecontro lcan be manually adjusted on the LCD to turn on and off at whatever speed you want it to activate.

6. Do I need the Variable Speed Demand Fan (242D only). What’s this going to do for me or not do?Variable speed fans are nice because they only run at a speed that the engine and hydraulics need. It makes the machine quieter.

7. Cat installed Camera quoted 380.00 vs Aftermarket, salesman says camera comes with the Cat Advanced Display.

Which leads me to if Im already putting the advanced display in should I just get the

8. Advanced Display with all the other operator adjustments, are they needed.Al lthe operator adjustments come with the LCD. I would get the integrated camera. I have run a couple Cats with this and there isn't one single blind spot on the machine with the standard mirror and the camera. The Cat has the best visibility in the industry with the camera hands down. Without it doesn't.

Thanks

Good luck.
 

DirtCrawler

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1. Do I need Radial (246D) or Vertical lift (242D)
Not sure which is best way to go.
Not sure what the cost difference is, one vs the other.This is the age old question. If you will doing more loading into a truck the vertical will offer better dump reach. The radial will have better reach at flatbed truck height for taking pallets off. both are just fine for digging. Vertical lift machines usually have a higher purchase price.

Primary purpose as of right now would be snow removal, both paved and unpaved drives, but need to push snow back and stack up.
Not sure how much loading/unloading (not snow) a truck I would be doing. Maybe at the most dumping into a pickup truck dumpbox or even a flat bed trailer with short sides.
Any difference in resale value?

5. Im going to get 2 speed but do I need Ride Control?Ride control is nice if you will be moving material over any distance. The Cat ridecontro lcan be manually adjusted on the LCD to turn on and off at whatever speed you want it to activate.

Moving as in when only 'carrying' the bucket off the ground?
Does the ride control have any advantage with a push box or snow bucket when running them directly on the ground. (again paved and unpaved drive)

6. Do I need the Variable Speed Demand Fan (242D only). What’s this going to do for me or not do?Variable speed fans are nice because they only run at a speed that the engine and hydraulics need. It makes the machine quieter.

Does either the Standard fan or the Variable Speed fan rob power from the engine?
and does the Variable speed fan only run when needed vs the standard fan which would run all the time?

8. Advanced Display with all the other operator adjustments, are they needed.Al lthe operator adjustments come with the LCD. I would get the integrated camera. I have run a couple Cats with this and there isn't one single blind spot on the machine with the standard mirror and the camera. The Cat has the best visibility in the industry with the camera hands down. Without it doesn't.

The way it was explained to me is that I had 3 options.
1. I could get the rear camera w/ cat LCD display, but would not have all the other operator features.
2. I could get the Advanced LCD display w/ all the operator features minus the camera
3. I could get the Advanced LCD display w/ all the operator features plus the camera

Thanks
 
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