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RDG

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Looks like D6 Merv beat me to it about pushloading being hard on the hitch, the push goes straight to the cutting edge so there is less load on the goose neck than when self loading where the tractor part is towing the bowl/cutting edge thru the ground. May be the neck theyre talking about is the operators neck as a cowboy on a pushdozer can give you a few neck problems. We used to always push load 412s/ 613s back in NZ with TD15s/ D6Ds and never had any gooseneck problems other than normal wear and tear. When pushing an elevating scraper the pusher needs to ease of a bit as the elevator slows to allow it to clear its self or it will stall out, you dont just give it full power as in an open bowl. Cheers RDG.
 

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I'll definately check out the Euclid S7 machine, as for the cat 613B can anyone tell me about its downfalls, shortcomings or even its good points, the ones around me are mostly anti cat 613 and there are only two machines, both elevators versions near me at all.

I was wanting a machine light in weight for ag work, there's a lot of tile in the ground and we plan on taking a lot of the topsoil off of it while building terraces and things and the worry is we'll crush the tile or shove it out of alignment with a large scraper when the ground isn't bone dry.

I haven't ruled anything out yet, the twin terex is appealing to me on more than one level, just the weight makes me hold back some, maybe its not a big deal, we're asking as many questions as we can to get somewhat educated so we can form an educted guess as to what to do.

We've even considered two machines, one single engine and also a twin engine terex for the money they bring its not like we'd have a terrible amount in two machines. The 613B with a blown engine, would anyone even venture into that one, if you couldn't move or check out the machine other than what you see is what you get, I"ve never done that before, I've always run and put anything I look at throught the paces and check for wear and tear and listen to the engine, transmission and hydraulics, in this case thats not possible and it makes me more than a little nervous or would I be the only one?

As old as that S7 would be are parts still available or since they are mostly common stuff its nothing to worry about. By the photos it appears to be built pretty hefty and also simple by comparing it to others. Can you guys tell me whats different with the terex setup like the S7 verses others out there, lower center of gravity, heavier framework, stronger hydraulics, does it have downpressure on the bowl on those machines, weak areas to look at that gave problems. Its a long dirve to go see and if I had some idea of what to look for it would help out a lot, I'm probably not going to be able to go look more than just once at it and if I knew ahead of time what to be looking for or at, it would help a lot. Thanks guys on the time and infomation your giving me on this.
 

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If its weight you are worried about a 613/412 size machine come in around 25 ton loaded a TS 14 is about 25 ton empty, as for the S7 thnk they had the 4/71 engine with Allison transmission or fuller stick shift, as for the hyds the 14s have no down pressure on the bowl or apron so its probable the S 7 was the same. Probably the 3208 motor in the 613 would be its worst point. . As aussie leroy said maybe a dozer and towed scraper might be the go, lot lighter, beter in wet going, can drop the scraper off and go and do dozer work when requried, only one engine to feed fuel to. We used to use towed scrapers a lot in NZ TD 15 and 8/11 yds and TD 25s with cat 80 and 463 scrapers, some outfits over there still use towed hyd scrapers over there mainly Kokudu scrapers dehind D 85 and 155s Komatsus. RDG.
 
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D6 Merv

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Hi Richard; you are most likely correct, 615 tractor unit would be far better than a 613, and should make quite a good smaller, single scraper. I have seen pics of a open bowl 613 but yes probably a rome product.
Thanks and cheers. Merv.
ps Neils machinery in paeroa has a S7; 471 and allison that needs a good home if you know anyone who needs a project. Is a runner and would tidy up easily.
 

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I'm guessing that paeroa is in new zealand, if so the boat ride to the states would cost more than the S7 might be worth. Also what would make a 615 far better than a 613, besides the engine and having more gears to choose from, someone was telling me about the design differences in the two machines but didn't elaborate much, D6 Merv could you shed some insight on the machines.
 

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yeah, sorry Randy S7 is in NZ. Posted it there so wabcoman and anyone else over here would know about it. Too good to wreck in my opinion.
615 is a bigger heavier machine than a 613, along with a bigger and better engine. 3306 vs 3208; 265hp i think vs 150. so is going to be alot better pulling a open bowl scraper. Also the trans and diff can be abit weak on a 613 if abused or neglected. Is a few 615s here and owners seemed quite happy with them.
One other thing i thought about is how would one of those Ashland or similar scoops go behind a big 4wd John Deere tractor or similar. Is even a few of these working over here on clay jobs.? Just another option to consider as those 2 are going to be alot newer also than say a TS14.
Often its what you can find; and whats the best buy for your buck.
 

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Randy. If you could get one of Eric C Orlemann,s books on TEREX and EUCLID equipment I think it would answer alot of your questions.Good luck. Kerry.
 

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Thanks I've asked about books at the library and did a google on the net but did't come up with the author, so it didn't do me much good, now I've searched a few places and they are getting back to me to let me know if the book is still there or been sold already.
 

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Thanks I've asked about books at the library and did a google on the net but did't come up with the author, so it didn't do me much good, now I've searched a few places and they are getting back to me to let me know if the book is still there or been sold already.
Randy I bought mine at Borders but they are gone. Amazon may have have them
 

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I've checked several places already that are out, a couple more with used books are getting back to me, which amazon was linked with, I'd have never thought to buy a book was so complicated, apparently there are a lot of people out there that like to read and buy books, up to today I never knew you had to wait to find out if a used book was available and most of those are sold out as well, and they rate them on condition. I'm feeling old today for some reason, either that or illiterate not sure which. I"m wondering if my old high school books are worth anything, most haven't even been opened before so they must be considered in mint condition.
 

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Pretty sure the 615 has a suspended axel hence a smoother ride. RDG
 

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TS-18s have the power to move a considerable amount of yardage per day and use very little fuel. My buddy has a fleet of 18s in use today and it is interesting to see 1972 year machines moving material in a fast and efficient manner in a high tech world. They are loud, basic and mean and green muscle with few headaches of todays machines that require a laptop to diagnose a glitch of some sort. They do however take a considerable amount of wrenching to keep the fuse lit but the design is fairly simple to work on as each machine seems to have its own personality and reliability factor. I have a 14G that works well in the right conditions but cant run with the 18s speed, it is still efficient and moves yardage in a cost effective manner.
 

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Tinkerer; Thanks mate they are a couple good looking 14's but i was looking for video of TS14"G"s late model 14's with the cumming 5.9 litre engines

Thanks Leroy
 
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