First thanks for the replies, nobody involved ever came up with the lock valve thought, which is right I can't argue at all. Next safety is in the eye of the behonder, what one considers safe another considers dangerous or fool hardy. My dad and grandpa bulit the barn we are remodeling, they built it from scratch and did everything from the cement to the wiring to block laying, rafter erection, tin on the roof the whole nine yards, my grandpa was an excellant carpenter and so is my dad, my grandpa built his first house at age 20 from the ground up and a lot more later in life along with many buldings, their idea of safe is ladders and long ones, my dad had no hesitation of using a 36 foot extention ladder and climbing out on the roof above the ladder and doing work and climbing back down again, they did it for years and they consider it perfectly safe and are comfortable doing so, I never inherited that gene. I like to be safely stapped to something solid and work doing very little reaching over anything. They think operating a manlift or scissors lift is way too dangerous and would never consider being anchored to anything thats a death trap waiting to happen, I disagree so again safety is one's personal idea. We have discussed many ideas and none yet seemed like the catch all for safety other than how we don't want to do it and thats ladders, my crew feels the same as me on that issue, thats the reason for the post in the first place.
Next we have had a lot of people involved in the whole deal from the start and for safety reasons we need to do the structural work inside before the wall can come out and get larger equipment in, thus a big manlift is not an option for now, the cement crew decided for safety reasons as well the inside needs to be finished first in case they encountered problems and needed large equipment in than they plan on so we are doing it before the cement so the wall can be opened up in case they had problems. We were hoping for ideas and the pro's and cons of all ideas, again I thank you for pointing out flaws we hadn't thought of. The last few days we had come up with using long straps to anchor the scaffolding to all four walls to help stabalize it, the idea of mounting it on a wagon is great, at least its achorded to something below and if we used straps that would help greatly, thats an idea worth considering.
Norite, do you consider telehandlers in the same class as skid steers? I've asked and nobody seems to know for sure, I know insurance companies don't like them with baskets on, I asked and nobody will rent a basket for anything. I know its done all the time and everyone does it but do they drop like skid steers? As for grading we need to install a service pit first along with water lines and drain lines and underground electrical lines and to level it off and grade it twice wasn't my first choice, its fair for a dirt floor, we just finshed taking out the old cement and frozen dirt to get it close to grade but thats all, the rental yards didn't think any gravel even to grade would work for their hard tired scissors lift. Yesterday I inquired about a small telehandler and they might be able to find one for me to rent but needed to ask about putting a basket on it, if they would even allow that.
Last the reason why nobody wanted the job was a couple of reasons, the basic got down to the manufacturer of the rafters to hang the false ceiling on, they needed to design a rafter that held the whole bulding together for their liability reasons, we needed to put supports up the sidewalls on the inside, hang the rafters and install a knee brace from the rafter to the side walls, no problem until the manufactuers deemed it needed to be shipped all assembled and ready to install, which couldn't be done, assembled on site yes but not assembled beforehand, there was no way to get them in an existing building and up, even the engineers couldn't figure that out. So that left build from scratch and assemble on site as we went, this put most out of the equation from the get go, those that were left were either too small of operator to do the job or the one that was willing got a contract to put up multiple large llvestock buildings, a multi year deal and mine was too small and he wasn't willing to give that up to do mine, I understand, he needed to manage his business. So we did it ourselves and assembled it as we went and took up the old hay floor as we went and used the floor joists for the sidewall supports, now we have no floor to stand on, the rafters are done and up and the ceiling is 90% installed and the walls are done and now for the knee braces and to cover the walls and insulate and the ground got further from the ceiling with the hay floor gone, a lot further in my opinon, others may think no big deal but to me 20 feet or more is a big deal, my dads not in good enough health anymore to do any climbing like that so he bowed out and left it to me.
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