Hayes trucks in the logging industry

[tyyota]

Dennis Dystant HDX - Gold River
TLT HDX Lowbed - Jackson Bay
TLT HDX Gravel - Jackson Bay
Holbrook Dyson HDX - Vernon Camp
HDX Lowbed - Sayward

 

[HDX]

Tyyota The Ted Leroy Low Bed truck (Class 0f 69) was an ex BCFP Preload and is now for sale in Alberta and the Ted Leroy Dump truck HDX is now sitting down in the Sarita Shop yard.

 

[tyyota]

Hey Steve, I've been lurking around here for a while - looking at everybodys pics, thought it was about time I contributed some of my own. Thanks for putting me onto this site at the McLean Mill Show.

 

[HDX]

Welcome aboard Tyler. Great site Great guys and lots of history!!! Dig out the Old pictures cause everbody loves them

 

[Dave Hadden]

Dave Had to laugh yes ABEX HDL 4630-D Did you get into the big dilemma in the 80s when everybody had to go to other brake lining?? Green Gripper and that other stuff Grant Young was selling CM95-125 or some goofy number like that. We all ended up with Anti Lock brakes cause there was no way we could stop those HDXs and P16s on any of the hills every trip was a controlled runaway When we had the asbestos brakes it was great but when Industry got away from that it was a disaster and then we couldnt get brake drums cause I think it was DuraMetal quit making them and we ended up with Rimmex casting drums as well as Promac. Sure glad thats over with but now brake drums are very hard to get again, We have a couple trucks with SPR rear ends and the last drum we got was about 900 bucks and now they are all gone any new ones now will be over 2,000 each. The day of the big Queens is fast coming to an end. It will be parts that do them in. We can talk brakes sometime OK

I remember the big change-over from asbestos lining to the new stuff for sure. I was the Warehouseman/Buyer for BCFP at Renfrew from 1977 until 1984 when I got picked off in a weird way. It was during that period all that went down.
I dealt a lot with Bill Block and Jim Dawes both when they were at Peterbilt Truck Sales and later with Island Mack Truck Sales and between those guys, the guys at Industrial Frictions and Supplies and those at another place....Morgan Brake and Clutch???.....damn old age......there was a lot of trying out of different types of lining. I recall we used Big Blue for some time on the logging trucks but we tried all kinds of stuff, even though it's nearly impossible to have a truly objective comparison between linings.
Lots of safety related things happened around that time. We had to buy and install a huge air circulation/evacuator type thing in the welding shop for one.
I often thought about the number of friction bands off yarders that had been re-lined by hand over the years of logging here in BC before asbestos became the big ogre. I did a few in my time using 2010 moulded and 2010 woven friction material. Nobody thought much about it, you just did it if you could.

Back to numbers etc, as I recall the brake drums on the trucks were 2021B usually while those on the KB trailers were 2009B. I recall a few of the Clark numbers for planetary parts too, as well as some Bendix-Westinghouse numbers for slack adjusters and some valves.....which I've seen mistaken for Clark numbers once or twice.
Not a lot of use talking trucks and equipment with me really as I'm not much of a mechanically oriented person despite my line of work for many years. I didn't operate anything other than forklifts, HIABS and overhead cranes nor did I pull wrenches on anything either. I was a capable decipherer of parts books, had decent communication skills and could make things happen when required, but I'm no good at chatting about specifics on machinery. I could make a mean hose for you on our Cat press though, XT3 or XT5?
I've sat and listened while guys like Tom Turner and ...say.... Doug Foreman talk trucks and they are simply miles more knowledgeable than I am. As a Warehouseman/Buyer in a logging camp you learn a little bit about a lot of things but don't necessarily become an expert on anything.
I was fortunate to have started in the logging end in 1969 at Gold River and learned a lot from old Ed Johnson, the Master Mechanic when I started. In addition we had a Blacksmith there so I learned a bit about that too. Reg Pidcock was the Machinist and there were a couple of older Mechanics so it was a good place to learn from some oldtimers. I knew and worked with some pretty good mechanics at other places over the years and learned some things from a few of them as well.
Sure wish I'd taken notes or kept a journal back then......or even taken one picture.
All I have left is a chrome Hayes hood ornament, a brass Hayes fuel cap and a BCFP vest and t-shirt. The t-shirt is one of the ones where they have the driver on the left side instead of the right side in the pic on the shirt. Apparently nobody realized the transfer would be reversed when they ran off the shirts. It was quite funny at the time.
Anyway, gotta go now as my Lovebirds need some exercise so I'm going to let them out and chase them around for a bit.

Take care.

 

[HDX]

Yes Bill and Tom Shore and Jim Dawes Old Hayes guys Really a lot of history with those guys Tom Turner was and still is one of the best go to guys in the business. I phone and BS with him when ever I get the chance. Was a very sad day when C.R.Alltrucks closed their doors. Of the original Hayes people there isnt very many left now. Havent seen Bill for some time now because he retired. Did you deal with John over at Quality Trimmers in Vancouver? He was the guy and still is that made the interior headliners for HAYES and Pacific. When im restoring a Hayes I always phone him and get him to make the interior kit cause its done right and fits every time. Remember the firewall panels that use to snap onto the front of the cab on the engine side PN1245A He still makes them. We could go on for days with this but its neat!!!

 

[Hayesno1]

Welcome Tyler to this great site. I knew it was you when I saw Hayes and KW pics keep posting

 

[tom trees]

nice pics keep the coming

 

[scottympm]

Will be posting some pics of Hayes loggers soon.

 

[scottympm]

Dystant Hayes

Here's a couple of photos I took of some of Dennis Dystant's Hayes loggers in Campbell River in March 2009. Apparently these trucks had just come out of Toba Inlet shortly before the photos were taken and were being put up for sale. .

 

[Hayesno1]

Pics of different MB trucks that have found new owners. All are still excisting but in different condition.

 

[MOUNTAIN MAN]

Pics of different MB trucks that have found new owners. All are still excisting but in different condition.

What company used the black hayes?

 

[PacificEd]

What company used the black hayes?

Hayes Forest Services owned # 1145 when I found it and photographed it in 2006. It was sitting in their yard in Duncan at the time. It is actually a dark metallic green color and was unique as the only one I've even seen that color. It ran a Cat 3408 with chrome valve covers and has been rebuilt with a Pacific cab.

I am unsure of where Hayesno1's picture was taken.

 

[HDX]

PacificEd That picture was taken inside the old Cameron Div shop before HFP exited the building. That 3408 is the one HFS took out of H17 when they installed the C15. That truck was originally a Justkatla Truck came from the QCIs when they were swinging over to highway trucks and 4 of them became surplus H44 H147 H149 and H271 although H271 was a Copper Canyon truck originally it went to the QCIs and then back to Franklin River Division That H149 went down to Duncan to the HFS Shop for rebuild just about the time the bottom fell out of everything and it was sold Think it went south WAY South H44 went to Lamar Lake Logging in Pt McNeil H147 was destroyed in a fatal accident and H271 also went to LLL.

 

[HCF]

Hey guys. This may sound strange to those of you who have worked around them but what is the difference between a pre loader and a traditional log trailer? Do the pre loaders attach to a fifth wheel?

 

[Hayesno1]

HCF; Yes preloaders got some kind of a 5th wheel see posted pics of H17. Last pic shows an old preload trailer. You can see pin that are "hooked" to 5th wheel

 

[Hayesno1]

HCF, Some pics of standard logging truck configuration. Truck is an HDX model owned by LLL. I hope by looking at posted pictures you can see the difference

 

[HCF]

@Hayesno1
Thanks for the pics. The pre-loaders are a new thing for me. It seems like a really great way to run a quick change lowboy all the time hauling wood. The traditional trailers I am assuming are a lot like the hi way rigs we run here in Oregon. Attach with a pintle hitch and you can adjust your length with the reach. I have been really interested in these since my family and I went up to VI for vacation in '02. We were up around Campbell river maybe? Anyways I was fascinated by the size of these rigs and the amount of wood they can haul. Thanks for the great pics and the explination.

 

[Hayesno1]

HCF; Thanks, well I did not much of explanation but sometimes pics say more
Anyway "hayeslogtruck" explained it before; see link to Challenger truck
https://www.heavyequipmentforums.com/showthread.php?t=19998&page=2

 

[Hayesno1]

Here are some pics of HD Hayes with an old low bed trailer, summer 2005. I am not sure if truck is around anymore. HDX might know.