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Biggest dozer to pull without having a CDL?

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StxRancher

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I know this a pretty vague question, but I have an F250 with a gooseneck rated at 24k lbs. In Texas the law is fairly lenient on ranchers pulling heavy equipment to a certain extent. So what is the biggest/heaviest dozer recommended for us non-commercial drivers who can haul them around? I have 450C that weighs under 15k.I think I'd like to get a bigger one.
 

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I would say any machine over 20,000 is asking for trouble from a stopping and towing equipment standpoint. We have a D5G that's around 20k and it's a good little machine. If you choose to tow that heavy with a 3/4 ton I would sure want the best tires and brakes I could get on the rig. Also, you want to make sure you have the load distributed correctly. Even being a gooseneck you could encounter a situation where the tail wags the dog. Scary when it happens. If you want to go heavier than that I would consider a heavier truck. Bigger brakes, duals on the rear, heavier springs etc. If you pull it a couple times a year you can probably get by with what you have. Anymore than that you'll wear that 3/4 ton out in short order. Hope that's helpful.

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And no offense but we would like you to not haul even that while we're on the road thanks. 15K dozer on at least a 5K tare weight trailer, behind a 3/4 ton that weighs what? 8K? If it's flat country and visibility is good, and you take it nice and easy, maybe for the occasional haul, but one mistake or you lose the brake connection, not good.
 

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With an F250 I would stay at the 450c /15k or under size or get a heavier haul rig to upsize dozers. Why risk an accident or hurting yourself or an innocent other?
 

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And no offense but we would like you to not haul even that while we're on the road thanks. 15K dozer on at least a 5K tare weight trailer, behind a 3/4 ton that weighs what? 8K? If it's flat country and visibility is good, and you take it nice and easy, maybe for the occasional haul, but one mistake or you lose the brake connection, not good.

I dont see the problem, Im legal at 25800, why wouldn't you want me on the road.
 

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Have you scaled your rig at that I think you might be heavier.. Also you already square into class A cdl trailer weight unless TX has some exceptions might as well buy a 2 ton with air brakes to pull the trailer then you could up size dozer
 

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That's too much weight to safely haul behind a 3/4 ton pickup. 15K dozer plus trailer weight is not safe in any form or fashion behind a 3/4 ton. I could care less what's legal via the tag the DMV sells or what the truck manufacturers show in their ads, experience says otherwise.
 

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As I understand the Texas regs, although I'm no expert and anyone that knows more about this than I feel free to correct me:

Is your trailer a 40'er? Reason I ask is in Texas those have to have a DOT number, in Houston a 40'er will get pulled over on sight. I was able to get the 40'er I've got cheap is that the DOT impounded the truck and trailer on the side of the road until someone with a Class A could take over. After this the previous owner just wanted it gone.

And empty your F250 with a 24k trailer is over weight. You need a Class A because the trailer is over 20,000lbs and your combined weight is surely over 26,0001lbs.

But with farm plates you don't need a CDL, you will need the corresponding CLASS of license to go with the rig though. With a class B, you can have a truck above 26,001lbs with a 20,000lb trailer behind it, if you want a trailer more than 20,000lbs, you need a class A. To stay on a class C, you need to keep the overall combination below 26,0001 lbs.

This is for farm use/not for hire and within 150 air miles of the farm, get outside those requirements and you'll be subject to the normal classifications.

https://www.txdps.state.tx.us/internetforms/Forms/CVE-13.pdf

A 24k trailer will weigh about 6-8k, so it's legal rated capacity about 18-16klbs, so a 15k dozer is already at or close the legal weight cap.

Now that's the law, I'm sure everyone's broken it, I have have several time. The worst time was 35,000lbs of machine tools on a 40', 24,000lb gooseneck with a rented 2015 Dodge 3500 . And also the lights/brakes failed about a block after getting loaded (long story....), so had no trailer brakes for the 20 mile trip. But this was early on a Saturday morning, with an escort car blocking for the truck and traveling no more than 10mph.

That new souped up 3500 could pull the load right on up to highway speed if you so desired, but would have no hope of stopping it.

Second worst overload was a 17,000 lb, 30' long lathe on a 24+3 10,000 lb gooseneck with a '95 dodge 2500 pulling. Fourth worst was the P&H's 14,000lb counterweight on that trailer, fifth is the W-11, Case says it weights 11,505lbs. That's all on a trailer with a GVW of 10,000lbs, not a rated capacity of 10,000lbs.

But again, going slow, moving on holidays/weekends, being able to stop and making sure tires don't get hot is the most important thing to safely overloading something.

I say this not as a source of pride, but to illustrate what's physically possible is not necessary what's legal or 100% safe. I'm tired of abusing goosenecks and pickups and will be getting a class A and semi as soon as possible.

IMHO, you don't have enough truck for the trailer, and your too heavy for a class C. I couldn't want to drive that rig though Houston in the middle of the week, that's just asking for trouble.

Its not what the truck can pull that's the important part, its what you can stop and control in an emergency what's important.
 
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That's too much weight to safely haul behind a 3/4 ton pickup. 15K dozer plus trailer weight is not safe in any form or fashion behind a 3/4 ton. I could care less what's legal via the tag the DMV sells or what the truck manufacturers show in their ads, experience says otherwise.

Agree , We pull a tandem gooseneck with a single wheel K 30 chevy . Pretty much a " heavy 3/4 ton " pickup .

With skid loader and attachments on board whole rig weighs in around 19,000 pounds . And that's about all the truck wants pulling or stoppin in the hills .:)


In my area farmers move everything on a "farm tag " & medical card . And I mean everything .:D


Wrecker gets a 16,000 pound " plus" recovery tag . I like the plus as it's always over it .;)
 

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My .02 , a 450 is as big as you want to haul. A friend hauled a 850D Case with a F350 and a 10 ton dual tandem gooseneck. He never did it again. Oh but it was a power stroke.
 

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I pull a 8k lb mini and a skid with a attachments (10k overall) on a bumper pull trailer (thats 3,500 lbs empty) behind a F-250 regularly.... I'd never want to pull more weight then that! Hope your truck is a manual at the very least, if not your brakes will be trash in a short time! Get a bigger truck and get a CDL, its not that big of a deal to get one..
 

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You will be fine pulling a 18-20k dozer as long as you have a good tandem dual trailer. A dually pick up would be better but a single wheel will work too. I have both a 3/4 and a 1 ton and just pull with whatever suits my need that day. I live in Tx too and I would guess the heaviest thing I see hualed around is a trailer load of 5x6 round hay. You just have to be careful and watch out for folks. I wouldn't pull it through downtown town Dallas but wouldn't be scared out in the country. I have noticed as someone else said load placement is more critical with a single wheel pick up.
 

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You will be fine pulling a 18-20k dozer as long as you have a good tandem dual trailer. A dually pick up would be better but a single wheel will work too. I have both a 3/4 and a 1 ton and just pull with whatever suits my need that day. I live in Tx too and I would guess the heaviest thing I see hualed around is a trailer load of 5x6 round hay. You just have to be careful and watch out for folks. I wouldn't pull it through downtown town Dallas but wouldn't be scared out in the country. I have noticed as someone else said load placement is more critical with a single wheel pick up.

You may be fine until someone pulls out in front of you, or a critter runs out, or you blow a tire and hit a oncoming car, or any of a thousand other scenero's. Problem is we can't control anybody or anything else around us. When something happens it is automatic that you are going to be at fault if hauling overloaded like that, even if it was the other person that caused the wreck.
 

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Can't argue with that. Guess I better buy a semi tomorrow. In all seriousness I'm more worried about the guy pulling a ski boat with his half ton and a bunch of screaming kids while he's getting directions on his cell phone to the boat ramp from his buddy.
I think it has allot to do with where you live and how well you keep your tow vehicle up.
I own a c-store in a small town and if any of you met half the OTR truck drivers I deal with you would never get on the road again. Most can't turn a truck around much less back it up or speak english.
I'm definitely not scared to pull my 10k skid steer with either pick up. Both have exhuast brakes and stop surprisingly well. Now my '95 F 250 feed truck on the other hand...well I wouldn't feel safe pulling a golf cart around and the truck is in excellent shape.
 

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If you have money to buy a bigger cat you should be able to come up with money to buy a bigger truck. Too many things to go wrong pushing the limits of a pick up.
 

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I'm going to add to the pile. I used to have a SRW cummins 1 ton that I towed around an approximately 19k load behind it with the trailer. I dont know the area you live at in Texas, but stopping that load about gave me ulcers when I was towing it in the hills of PA. I have since upgraded to a 4700 international and would never go back to a light duty truck. Towing the same load is pretty uneventful. I recently completed an undercarriage and bushing replacement on a straight 550 and I'm contemplating hauling it behind my current truck. I believe the dozer weighs somewhere around 20k or so. You couldn't give me enough money to put it behind that cummins. Ill tell you this though. Your a special person if you think putting the load over the tandems on the trailer and not getting 25% or so on the truck is correct. There is no way that f250 is going to handle the pin weight it needs to for having a chance at keeping that rig under control in any type of harder braking situation. We could delve into the electric brakes issues to but why bother.
 

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Nobody here seems to understand the law. Either it's a 10,001 LB trailer, or GCW over 26,000. If it is 10,000 trailer, you're over CDL.
 

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I pull some heavy sometimes and I'd be willing to bet my halfway decent electric brakes makes a better combination than the mercedes suv towing a big fishing boat with no surge or electric brakes.

For my own comfort, I'm upgrading to electric/hydraulic disc brakes, use the weight on the trailer to stop the trailer seems like a logical thing. Electrics are only an 'assist' according to the mfg.
 
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