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Auxiliary Transmission

Discussion in 'Trucks' started by amunderdog, May 3, 2009.

  1. amunderdog

    amunderdog Senior Member

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    My old LN 8000 is in need of lower ground speed under heavy load (Off road) and just better gearing for this terrain.
    It has a 8.3 Cummins and a six speed trans.
    Low gear at working RPM's is about 7Mph.
    That is way to fast for me and the truck.
    So i could swap out the transmission. But that would be big money. Maybe more than the truck is worth.
    Or i have laying out here a Spicer 6041 4 Speed Auxiliary Transmission.
    Trouble is it has yokes for a medium duty drive line.
    My truck has a heavy duty drive line.
    Do they make heavy duty drive line yokes for this transmission?
    If so where would a person find them?

    I know it is a little rough.
    It is a work in progress.
     

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  2. OCR

    OCR Senior Member

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    Won't you need your drive shafts modified, amunderdog... :confused:

    You'll need a shaft from main, to auxiliary, to differential.

    Who ever reworks your drive lines, could put on what ever yokes you need.

    Or, am I thinking wrong here... :eek:

    Might be time to go to bed... LOL


    OCR... :)
     
  3. amunderdog

    amunderdog Senior Member

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    I are Poor:rolleyes:
    So the "Who ever reworks your drive lines" will most likely be me.
    That is why i am trying to determine if the larger yokes are available.
    And if so, Maybe from where?
     
  4. td25c

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    I think the best way to go is with a 2-speed rear end amunderdog.I know you have the spicer auxiliary on hand,but with the trucks short wheelbase you may have trouble finding room for the auxiliary tranny not to mention the cost of the driveline modifications.Look around at salvage yards ,2-speed rears are common.
     
  5. crane operator

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    You need to find out what the aux. will do. Namely is a low, direct, then with two overdrives, or a double low, low, direct and over. If it only has one low and then direct and overdrive, you aren't really gaining much, because you need to really slow down I'm assuming. The second version would help, but like 25c says, you're going to have driveline issues, as well as mounting, and the worst thing, making the linkage. You can't make the drivelines yourself, because they need to be balanced, and I doubt you have that equipment. Plus you may have to move hangar bearings and such, which means moving the mounts on the frame rail, as well as keeping the angles correct. The two speed rear is a great idea, you can change it yourself, the driveline will bolt right up, and all you have is a cable running to the rear. If you can live with a lower down the road speed, try to find a rear end with a lower gearing. You've got plenty of power with the Cummins, I'm guessing you just would like to crawl around jobsites a little slower, and not have to wind it up so much loaded from uphill stoplights. A slower speed rear would really help this, and if you needed new rear tires, get smaller ones. With just a single axle tractor, you don't need a big 13 or 15/18 sp tranny, and like 25c says, there are a lot of the old 2 sp rear ends around, making your 6 sp actually a 12 sp.
     
  6. td25c

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    The 2-speed rear end is the best way to go_Or a lower geared ratio like a 4.10 or 4.33.Either way dont worry about balancing the driveline.Anyone can make a driveline.I usually cut the driveshaft to length ,then drive the yoke in,and install it in the truck.I block up the rear end so I can spin it in the truck while welding the yoke to the driveshaft.I use a dial indicater to index the driveshaft.If you dont have a dial indicater,Use cribbing under the driveshaft to measure if it's out of round.My point is ,if the driveshaft is centerd on the yoke,it wont vibrate or cause trouble.
     
  7. OCR

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    Well, I reckon I can relate to that answer, easier than any post I've read on this site... :yup

    And, if you ever find the need... you can use my "poor boy shop pit" any time you want... LOL

    Seems like I've been using the word fairly often myself... LOL... :(



    Completely understand,

    OCR
     
  8. BoomerFF373

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    Not a bad truck, what year is it?
     
  9. amunderdog

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    Spicer 6041 = double low, low, direct and over.
    Ok
    So you all like a two speed rear axle. I do not. They do not split that much. and i think i remember them giving a higher ratio to help overcome lower gearing.
    I already have a 4.10 rear. would have to g to a 5 somthing, then would kill road gear.
    If i had the jack the easiest fix is to swap the trans.
    I was hoping there was a seasoned wrench on here that could help me with the yoke problem. The rest i have about figured out.
    Thanks for the input....................
     
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  10. willie59

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    I don't recall anyone here saying they "liked" the two speed rear. I, instead, read the responses as saying you'd have difficulty fitting a hog box in there on such a short wheel base. That's just the way I was reading it. And for my curiosity, what is "the rest I have about figured out."?
     
  11. GaryKelley

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    its possible, that you can search around the wrecking yards, and find both of the ends of your main trans and the aux to marry them together, and then you will only have to shorten your driveline, which you are probably going to have to do, regardless of what path you choose. or... you could go to smaller tires, but I doubt that you could downsize enough to gain enough there..
     
  12. LowBoy

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    I'm with the 2 speed rear guys on this one. A lower ratio (5: something's,) will give you the low-low you're looking for, and a pull up on the red button will give you the road speed you'd need I'd imagine. I can't picture you wanting to run down Interstate 40 at mach 1 with the 'ol gal either, so it ought to be about right once you find the proper ratio'd rear.
    If you find a rear somewhere and don't see a tag on the housing to tell what gears it has, simply count the number of teeth on the ring gear, and the ones on the pinion, and divide the little number into the big one (ex: 52 on ring, 12 on pinion, = 4:33).
    Mounting that aux box into that short little wheelbased truck might end up being the "mother of all projects" by the time you're done. Plus, if it already has medium-duty yokes on it, and you're wanting to install it into something that already has 1710 series style yokes for example...there may be a mismatched torque issue here...:idea (in other words, not heavy enough.) Although you'd most likely eliminate the need for a carrier bearing because the distance between the gear boxes and rear won't exceed 60", it's still a chore.
    Even a 'po boy's gonna spend some hard earned money making that work amunderdog.
    I'd rethink your opinion on the 2 speed rear if I was in your shoes. You can find a lot of old dumps, garbage trucks and all kinds of dead iron around farmers fields and salvage yards with the gears you'd need for short money, and for a Saturday's work underneath it, you'll have quite a nice ride when you're done...:drinkup
     
  13. td25c

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    I dont know if this will help amunderdog.I pulled out our 1962 gmc 5500 this after noon and took a few pics of the 6041 auxiliary tranny.It measures about 2 feet long between the u-joint flanges.It might fit in your truck.You need the gear shift socket & linkage.The auxiliary gear shift socket will mount on the mainbox.Look around at salvage yards for u-joint yokes and use your imagination and skills to adapt the drive line.Here are some pics.I am only about half seasoned looking forward to well seasoned.
     

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  14. crane operator

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    So you can figure out all the other stuff, but need a seasoned mechanic to tell you where to get parts? Everytime I write a reply any further than this I get mean, sarcastic and nasty. hint:truck parts store, driveline shop, salvage yard. Good luck, send pics when you get it done. Ps, nice pics 25c, is the old girl a gasser? bet she grunts full of wet corn! It was a grain hauling king when it was built!
     
  15. LonestarCobra

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    I still have an old Chevrolet truck similar to that my grandad bought new. It is just a tractor, and the old grain trailer is down in our graveyard of tractors and vehicles. It has the 409 gasser in it. It ran 4-5 years ago when I put it in the barn.

    As far as the gearing problem goes, I would also go with the 2 speed rear end. We have a C-70 that has one mean low gear. When the axle is in high, it will run 60 mph comfortably. I really would not want to drive that thing much faster than that.
     
  16. RonG

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    The odds are that the rearend you have now won't be able to withstand the extra strain that it will see with the lower gearing of the auxilliary transmission if you install it and you might be looking at replacing the rearend anyway down the road.I would go with the twospeed rearend as the solution and maybe sell the original and auxilliary to help finance it.Ron G
     
  17. amunderdog

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    Mine is 21" yoke to yoke mount so 24 total sounds about right.
    My first drive shaft is about 31" to the carrier bearing.
    I have seen pictures of a home made direct coupling of Aux and main.
    It looked way over engineered.
    Thanks for the pictures. They do help me think.
     
  18. amunderdog

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    Sorry.
    I live way out in the woods.
    And am not a pro large truck wrench.
    I heard rummors of a truck wrecking yard about 20Mi from here, in a place that is not on the map. Anyway mostly i wanted to know if anyone ever saw this type of Aux trans with the larger yokes (then i would know they do exist).
    I know the next size up had them 70 somthing size.
    If you search around the web you will not find much info on this subject.
    Nor will you find many parts for said item.
    Thanks for the reply.
     
  19. amunderdog

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    It has a Rockwell RS21145 rear. It should do the job.
    I believe.
    Lower trans gears are usually easier on the rear, as you do not get all the jerking around and wheel hop.

    But isn't that the way it goes?
    You improve one thing and cause another problem.
    Guess thats why the big time people just go down and order a truck speced to there requirments.
     
  20. willie59

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    Have you tried Windrock Truck Parts in Oliver Springs?