British Columbia Forest Products Ltd.

[HDX]

Hayesno1 Unit #36-70 is actually old 207 when new Jim and the Hayes Truck Club Crew did some work on her to get her up to Unrestored Show Status. Jim takes her out every chance he gets The old girl has a set of 12 foot bunks with "Seattle" stakes again and a 36 ton trailer just as when new She also still has the numbers matching NHRBS 300 HP Supercharged engine in her Jim keeps doing stuff to her and flash's her up all the time The exhaust stack also went back through the hood like it was when they were delivered in 1954 (Although its CHROME now)

 

[Hayesno1]

Hayesno1 Unit #36-70 is actually old 207 when new Jim and the Hayes Truck Club Crew did some work on her to get her up to Unrestored Show Status. Jim takes her out every chance he gets The old girl has a set of 12 foot bunks with "Seattle" stakes again and a 36 ton trailer just as when new She also still has the numbers matching NHRBS 300 HP Supercharged engine in her Jim keeps doing stuff to her and flash's her up all the time The exhaust stack also went back through the hood like it was when they were delivered in 1954 (Although its CHROME now)

HDX: Well I wrote she was old #207. .. LOL Here some pics(credit Re-Pete) of #207 with stack through hood and smoke

 

[Hayesno1]

Beside my pics of #207, #209 and post #586 at Hayes thread this pic is showing the last of known excisting old HDX model from 1954 with Clipper doors. This is unit #208. Jim Falconer(on fender) and Peter(from the Danish invasion group) at truck.

 

[HDX]

Hayesno1 Yes you are right You did and I didnt look at your posting close. I dont think that the HDX in Sarita is 210 after looking at pictues all weekend We have been going by what we were able to find on the doors under all the paint . This is not always the best idea because these trucks in their later years were moved around and some were sold off so when one was being sold of coarse things were taken off to keep the remaining trucks up to snuff and it would be only natural if one you were keeping had a door that was in poor shape well just trade with the one being sold off so this is where a wrong door on a truck can be miss leading The only real way to solve the mystery is to find the serial numbers and go from there. We have spent hours going over these trucks to find where they were stamped with no luck Sometimes they were stamped behind a bracket and then something was bolted over them Eventually we will locate them. Maybe when we sandblast one of them it will show up. I had the same problem with the LM Mack I bought It was an ex-Elk River Timber Truck and under the paint on the door it had number 9 But after talking with Ralph Cox the Master Mechanic from there we compared serial numbers and he said NO its number 7 and that was what happened there --the door from no9 ended up on no7 just the drivers door and sure enough when the pass door was sanded down there was no7 So the plot thickens here. We are sure of no 207 because the engine serial number matches.

 

[Hayesno1]

Hayesno1 Yes you are right You did and I didnt look at your posting close. I dont think that the HDX in Sarita is 210 after looking at pictues all weekend We have been going by what we were able to find on the doors under all the paint . This is not always the best idea because these trucks in their later years were moved around and some were sold off so when one was being sold of coarse things were taken off to keep the remaining trucks up to snuff and it would be only natural if one you were keeping had a door that was in poor shape well just trade with the one being sold off so this is where a wrong door on a truck can be miss leading The only real way to solve the mystery is to find the serial numbers and go from there. We have spent hours going over these trucks to find where they were stamped with no luck Sometimes they were stamped behind a bracket and then something was bolted over them Eventually we will locate them. Maybe when we sandblast one of them it will show up. I had the same problem with the LM Mack I bought It was an ex-Elk River Timber Truck and under the paint on the door it had number 9 But after talking with Ralph Cox the Master Mechanic from there we compared serial numbers and he said NO its number 7 and that was what happened there --the door from no9 ended up on no7 just the drivers door and sure enough when the pass door was sanded down there was no7 So the plot thickens here. We are sure of no 207 because the engine serial number matches.

HDX; For sure you rigth - many if not all of them have been rebuilt several times using spare parts from other trucks. You are the Hayes Master and for sure I have learned a lot to find serial numbers; identify models etc. Thanks. Sorry to say but I have been scratching a few frames - but only trucks that I knew that were parked to be scrapped - looking at doors and dashboard etc. Sometimes I saw a truck ending up with 2 different sn# - one at the frame and a different at door or dashboard, so I got a bit confused. I still remember those 2 WHD coal trucks up in Northern BC. I measured the frame - 40" wide. I spent hours up there but no numbers or whatever that could identify those 2 pretty neat trucks. They should be restored. Some pics of #207. Is tank (water and fuel) original? Is fuel tank a 300 gal? It looks pretty small compare to "normal" HDX fuel tank. How about the turntable platform - is that the original? It is all most like a deck!

 

[Hayesno1]

Pics from RB when 1960 HDX was on auction in 2005. Tank is a 3000 gal.

 

[HDX]

Hayesno1 Yes the water tank/fuel tank are original This was the first attempt combining the fuel/water tank together You are right about them being smaller Fuel tank is a 70 gal and water is 300 gal as opposed to the later 120 gal fuel and 400gal water tanks The turntable was original with some extra plates welded in to make a deck for the fire tank-- missing is the bunk pin that the truck bunk sat on with the horseshoe clamp to hold the bunk on If you look you can see the two halfs of the turntable This was the first truck to have a turntable installed like this. All the trucks before this had what was called "Rub Irons" whereas the bunk had a wear plate welded on each side that would wear with use The same style is still used on highway trucks today called the bolster The turn table eliminated being Bunk Bound on sharp corners when the truck would lean one way and the trailer the other or if you had a side heavy load they were prone to bind up on corners. The bunks then had rollers added to them and they would help the bunk turn because they actually rolled around on the turn table NO MORE BINDING UP ON CORNERS The next turn tables built were made in a full circle and had a notch at the front behind the water tank and this was built into the turntable so a mechanic could change the rollers without taking the bunk right off--You would swing the bunk around fore and aft and take out the retaining bolt and drop the roller out the bottom Worked very well. Next was the top rad tank. These had another tank welded on top of the original tank to hold more coolant Most of the trucks being built that had the Cummins supercharged engines in them had a real bad cooling problem so most companies made the top tanks bigger to hold more coolant.A lot of company shops would just cut a hole in the top of the hood and change the manifold configuration so the exhaust pipe came right off the manifold and straight up with a 4 inch pipe. With the side exhaust and muffler there was too much back pressure and this just added to the heating problem. In this picture you took you can see the 7lb pressure relief valve mounted on top instead of behind the top tank on the right hand side This was on there to prevent too much pressure being built when the water in the rad got hot and expanded.Also note that the rad cap is the same as the fuel cap Both used the same one The third picture shows the newer style Luberfiner filter --The original one was the style with the bolts around the top. These were a pain in the rear because of the gasket you had to change every time you changed oil-- mirror bracket is original only bent a little. The last picture shows the power steering tank also original Hope this does not confuse anybody

 

[Hayesno1]

Hayesno1 Yes the water tank/fuel tank are original This was the first attempt combining the fuel/water tank together You are right about them being smaller Fuel tank is a 70 gal and water is 300 gal as opposed to the later 120 gal fuel and 400gal water tanks The turntable was original with some extra plates welded in to make a deck for the fire tank-- missing is the bunk pin that the truck bunk sat on with the horseshoe clamp to hold the bunk on If you look you can see the two halfs of the turntable This was the first truck to have a turntable installed like this. All the trucks before this had what was called "Rub Irons" whereas the bunk had a wear plate welded on each side that would wear with use The same style is still used on highway trucks today called the bolster The turn table eliminated being Bunk Bound on sharp corners when the truck would lean one way and the trailer the other or if you had a side heavy load they were prone to bind up on corners. The bunks then had rollers added to them and they would help the bunk turn because they actually rolled around on the turn table NO MORE BINDING UP ON CORNERS The next turn tables built were made in a full circle and had a notch at the front behind the water tank and this was built into the turntable so a mechanic could change the rollers without taking the bunk right off--You would swing the bunk around fore and aft and take out the retaining bolt and drop the roller out the bottom Worked very well. Next was the top rad tank. These had another tank welded on top of the original tank to hold more coolant Most of the trucks being built that had the Cummins supercharged engines in them had a real bad cooling problem so most companies made the top tanks bigger to hold more coolant.A lot of company shops would just cut a hole in the top of the hood and change the manifold configuration so the exhaust pipe came right off the manifold and straight up with a 4 inch pipe. With the side exhaust and muffler there was too much back pressure and this just added to the heating problem. In this picture you took you can see the 7lb pressure relief valve mounted on top instead of behind the top tank on the right hand side This was on there to prevent too much pressure being built when the water in the rad got hot and expanded.Also note that the rad cap is the same as the fuel cap Both used the same one The third picture shows the newer style Luberfiner filter --The original one was the style with the bolts around the top. These were a pain in the rear because of the gasket you had to change every time you changed oil-- mirror bracket is original only bent a little. The last picture shows the power steering tank also original Hope this does not confuse anybody

HDX; Wow you did it again, again. Thanks very much. Ups! I did mixed up with fuel/water tank size! Here some pics of a 1963 sn#3052466 BCFP sander truck when auctioned way back in 2005/2006. I think she went to LLL. Sorry to tell; I think I found her remains in 2007 at LLL shop close to Port McNeill

 

[Hayesno1]

BCFP Hayes HDX sander truck when auction in 2005. Truck is from 1964 #sn 4032549

 

[HDX]

Hayesno1 Another great one from the past WOW old 225 from BCFPs Renfrew Division Was delivered Feb 7 1964 Came with a 903 V8 Cummins (350 HP ) and Spicer 8241C main with 8341C Aux also used the Thompson Retarder and 70,000 rear ends Top speed was about 34 1/2 MPH Came as a preload with two trailers #s 529 and 530. As for the linehose beside her well that was old BCFP unit # 224 also from Renfrew Division She came April 8 1963 and came with the same spec's as unit #225 It makes me sad to see all these trucks that were so well looked after by the people at BCFP now scattered all over at country-- so many were just cut up and yet others were doomed to sit out their remaining years as Fire Tankers and to slowly be neglected till their time comes to be cut up. When they still had BCFP on the registration papers these trucks were kept in tip top condition all year round. Even as tankers or sand trucks But as fate would have it opportunists couldnt wait to get their mitts on them as you can see in the pictures above. I see the paint sprayed all over them and wonder what kind of employee would even THINK of defacing equipment like this. Wonder what would happen if you walked over and sparyed the same thing on HIS CAR or Pick-up OH WELL at least they live on if only on this site Thanks for posting these pics Kim

 

[HDX]

OH Yes no 224 also came with two trailers 528 and 527

 

[jackd]

Old Veteran

Saw this old girl this weekend at Mesachie Lake. I did a back country trip up from Port Renfrew and stumbled upon this yard enroute. Many more shots to follow.

 

[Hayesno1]

Saw this old girl this weekend at Mesachie Lake. I did a back country trip up from Port Renfrew and stumbled upon this yard enroute. Many more shots to follow.

Jackd; Nice pic of an old lady still going strong, thanks for sharing. At first I thought it was the same truck as I saw at the Cameron Div. last year but it was unit #36-85. Way back I have posted a few pics of her on this thread. Looking forward to see more pics from your trip.

 

[jackd]

I've got more shots coming and if they are repeats of things posted previously, I do apoligize. But what the hell, if I took shots of them this week, then at least we know that they are still around.

 

[Hayesno1]

I've got more shots coming and if they are repeats of things posted previously, I do apoligize. But what the hell, if I took shots of them this week, then at least we know that they are still around.

No no - sorry you misunderstood me - my English is not that good - I have posted pics of #36-85 - not #36-84. She is "new" to me. Great to see she is around. Please post more pics of her and other trucks/stuff.

 

[jackd]

Your English is very good - better than my Danish! I didn't mis-understand you and I am going to post all my shots be they repeats or not. No worries here.

 

[TorkelH]

Did you take the trip down to Sarita, jackd?

 

[jackd]

Believe it or not, this was new territory for me to cover and I wasn't sure about my gas situation. I was hoping to stop at Franklin River shop and drove past this huge gravel pit, which I was told by a contractor, was the former camp/shop. What year did they rip it all down? And being that I was there on the weekend, I assumed that the yards would be locked and I would be looking through the outside wire inwards. As it was I got into Mesachie, Cameron and Sproat. Sarita will have to wait for another day - and I assume this is where much of the big iron is right now.

 

[BCFP VET]

pickups and logging trucks, etc

just thought i would comment on this site, i'm very surprised to see so many bcfp pieces out there, that haven't been repainted, i'm with out word's, but i suppose it's cheaper to paste a vinyl decal over rather than repaint, not the case every where else, but nice to see, i saw the other day in cowichan, a hurd of old bcfp logging truck's with the logo and bcfp slogan on the bottom,on the door's, with guy's driving them, they the guy's looked like something outa the 70's red chequerd doe skin jackets, and white and green bcfp caps, not sure what's going on, is someone trying to recreate the old bcfp, it seem's timberwest is ok with it, and western, anyone else with a problem, not me, most of the trucks were re painted with exact same color's, can anyone tell me whats going on, gordon river timberwest, out

 

[BCFP VET]

water tanker

Old BCFP trucks still going strong in 2010.. Old lady HDX 36-71 water truck is from 1954-55. All pix were shot on The Island

it appears this was at franklin camp,before camp was razed, and re-planted, ??