USDOT # and IFTA for non commercial use?

[cfherrman]

From the FMCSA web site:
You are required to obtain a USDOT number if you have a vehicle that: Has a gross vehicle weight rating or gross combination weight rating, or gross vehicle weight or gross combination weight, of 4,536 kg (10,001 pounds) or more, whichever is greater;

Your International Flatbed truck should have a DOT number on it and GVW weight on it. Once you have the DOT number, might as well put it on you other truck. Sorry, can't remember your other truck. Was it a Ford F700? What's the IFTA sticker?

As you are a business, probably should go ahead and do it.

Most 1 ton pickups are going to be like that, there's a lot of people that have one ton pickups and haul kids around.

 

[IceHole]

From the FMCSA web site:
You are required to obtain a USDOT number if you have a vehicle that: Has a gross vehicle weight rating or gross combination weight rating, or gross vehicle weight or gross combination weight, of 4,536 kg (10,001 pounds) or more, whichever is greater;

Your International Flatbed truck should have a DOT number on it and GVW weight on it. Once you have the DOT number, might as well put it on you other truck. Sorry, can't remember your other truck. Was it a Ford F700? What's the IFTA sticker?

As you are a business, probably should go ahead and do it.

Huh, ne er heard that one before. Even many 1 tons are over that.

I've run 1.5 and 2 ton trucks for years and never had it come up. Had no idea even.

 

[Acoals]

Commercial use. You can drive your kids around in all the truck you want without a DOT#. Any truck or combination weighing 10,001lbs and up must have a DOT#.

 

[CM1995]

Commercial use. You can drive your kids around in all the truck you want without a DOT#. Any truck or combination weighing 10,001lbs and up must have a DOT#.

Not in AL operating intrastate. A DOT# is not needed until the truck or combo gets over 26,001.

 

[Acoals]

Not in AL operating intrastate. A DOT# is not needed until the truck or combo gets over 26,001.

Well, in WI anyway . . .

What I stated in the previous post is the Federal Interstate regulation. Many states follow the Fed for intrastate, including WI.

My authority in WI is intrastate only, I think I need an MC number or something to run out of state.

 

[Truck Shop]

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[PeterG]

There has been much confusion about who is required to have a U.S. Department of Transportation (USDOT) number. Many contractors feel it’s only needed for truckers hauling for hire, which is not the case.

A USDOT number is required for a commercial motor vehicle (49 CFR Part 390.5), which is defined as any self-propelled or towed motor vehicle used on a highway in interstate and/or intrastate commerce:

• to transport passengers or property when the vehicle has a gross vehicle weight rating or gross combination weight rating, gross vehicle weight or gross combination weight, of 10,001 pounds or more, whichever is greater; or
• to transport more than eight passengers, including the driver, for compensation; or
• to transport more than 15 passengers, including the driver, without compensation; or
• to transport material found by the Secretary of Transportation to be hazardous under 49 USC 5103 and transported in a quantity requiring placarding under regulations prescribed by the Secretary under 49 CFR, subtitle B, chapter I, subchapter C.

The USDOT number serves as a unique identifier when collecting and monitoring a company’s safety information acquired during audits, compliance reviews, crash investigations, and inspections. The following 31 states have laws agreeing to the enforcement of the federal USDOT regulations: Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Connecticut, Florida, Georgia, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Maine, Maryland, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, New York, Ohio, Oklahoma, Oregon, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Washington, West Virginia, Wisconsin, and Wyoming. The other states have state-based USDOT regulations (similar to federal OSHA vs. state OSHA regulations). Many think that the USDOT number does not apply here, but lack of enforcement does not equal “not applicable.” It is a federal regulation, and it applies to all subject commercial motor vehicles.

Vehicles that require USDOT numbers must have a name and USDOT number on both sides of the vehicle’s power unit, in a contrasting color, and visible from 50 feet away when parked. Currently, there is no cost to register for a USDOT number. You can visit www.safer.fmcsa.dot.gov and select the “FMCSA Registration and Updates” link to register.

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Up to you if want to get it. I find a DOT number is a real pain for doing the yearly report, biennial report, Heavy highway tax, weigh stations, insurance, GVW tax, CDL class A, and a medical every two years. I'm not a carrier with a bunch of 18 wheelers. Just a one man contractor. Amazing how an 85 year old can go buy a class A motorhome and tow a car behind and need nothing.

 

[Truck Shop]

Very good PeterG, I posted the reg 7 years ago---Lets see how long it takes before the
backwash begins.

 

[RocketScott]

A USDOT number is required for a commercial motor vehicle (49 CFR Part 390.5), which is defined as any self-propelled or towed motor vehicle used on a highway in interstate and/or intrastate commerce:

If you read the general applicability it only applies to interstate:

(a) The rules in subchapter B of this chapter are applicable to all employers, employees, and commercial motor vehicles that transport property or passengers in interstate commerce.

So they define a CMV as interstate and intrastate but the regs only apply to interstate. Because the feds can only dictate what happens between states, not what goes on inside of them (in this instance)

When you use a CMV for personal reasons it's no longer/not yet a CMV. The hard part is finding people that understand that. What most people don't get is that a vehicle can change back and forth. So given the above, a vehicle can be a CMV intrastate but if it leaves the state for personal reasons it's no longer a CMV and that CFR doesn't apply

From the title of the thread and the OPs first post he's not driving a commercial vehicle except maybe in example 3

 

[1693TA]

I never found the paperwork that cumbersome, nor the medical certifications. The two year medical was $48.00 for years but this last year it increased to $53.00. I only had five trucks running at one time so not that big of deal. Never licensed over 55K so form 2290, or HUT did not apply.

I exited that market in 2006 and keep my CDL, and medical current at all times. Too damned hard to get them back nowadays.

 

[CM1995]

If you read the general applicability it only applies to interstate:



So they define a CMV as interstate and intrastate but the regs only apply to interstate. Because the feds can only dictate what happens between states, not what goes on inside of them (in this instance)

Bingo.

That's why the State of AL does not require a DOT # and it is completely legal to operate a commercial vehicle less than 26,001 GVW or GCWR inside the state.

 

[1693TA]

And why it's so damned confusing to so many. Many variances to the laws in different states traveled.

In many instances it's better to just have the DOT number. My insurances require it, but that is because of the corporate structure involved although I'm not currently running trucks. Still keep my number however because of the discounts involved.

 

[Acoals]

In Wisconsin running any kind of commercial looking truck (chassis cab pickup with any kind of a work body on it and up) without a DOT number turns you into a State Trooper magnet.

 

[cfherrman]

So I need a dot number to drive my 1 ton when I have a pipe wrench in it?

 

[Acoals]

So I need a dot number to drive my 1 ton when I have a pipe wrench in it?

In Wisconsin, yes. If you are just an employee, probably not.

A quick look at Oklahoma's regs appears to be similar to Alabama's, according to CM. In that case your 1 ton is not a CDL vehicle.

Pretty sure your service rig is over 26,000lbs though . . .

Oklahoma Highway Patrol Troop S - USDOT Number

USDOT Number information from the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA)

www.ok.gov

 

[PeterG]

In Wisconsin running any kind of commercial looking truck (chassis cab pickup with any kind of a work body on it and up) without a DOT number turns you into a State Trooper magnet.

Especially if you're towing an excavator or construction piece of equipment. If you have a commercial vehicle which your insurance agency will tell you, and it's only to tow your RV or Boat, I wouldn't worry about a DOT number. If your truck is a one ton dually or bigger, if you're not a farmer, and it has a flat bed or dump box on it, set up with headache rack, transfer tank, ladder rack etc., and has a wheelbarrow in it, tools, left over materials, and some old beer cans, I would get a DOT number. If you are towing a 5th wheel trailer with a few cars, a trailer with a GVW over 10K and equipment over 6 tons, I would get a DOT number. Ultimately if you get in an accident is where things get crazy without a DOT # etc.

Regarding searching for answers on the Internet regarding USDOT, beware that there are lot's of Companies that are out to make a profit selling services that you can often get for free directly through the government agency. Their information may or may not be correct. One site I just looked at seems to say that there is such a thing as just an Alabama DOT. See a web site for Call Diesel Permits at (765) 742-2610 .

Get an Alabama DOT number/AL DOT number/State of Alabama DOT number/DOT of Alabama number/DOT Alabama number/DOT number/USDOT number

 

[cfherrman]

In Wisconsin, yes. If you are just an employee, probably not.

A quick look at Oklahoma's regs appears to be similar to Alabama's, according to CM. In that case your 1 ton is not a CDL vehicle.

Pretty sure your service rig is over 26,000lbs though . . .

Oklahoma Highway Patrol Troop S - USDOT Number

USDOT Number information from the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA)

www.ok.gov

It's a privately owned 1 ton just like someone owns a car

 

[PeterG]

It's a privately owned 1 ton just like someone owns a car

Up to you what you want to do. I would say if you don't own a construction related business and only pull with your truck a non construction related looking big long trailer such as (RV, Boat, Horse, Race cars, ATV's. snowmobiles, and maybe farm material and equipment), then don't get a DOT number. If you pull a big equipment trailer with construction equipment and or materials that look like the size of a backhoe, than having a DOT number might be a good idea, as that can be a red flag for a State Patrol guy checking weight, CDL, tie downs, etc. If you never ever see a State Patrol, police officer, and never go on the highways, or go out of state, don't drive far maybe don't worry about. It's your choice at the end of the day. All were trying to do is educate as we can the DOT regulations which are not all that clear.

 

[Acoals]

Race cars,

According to Wisconsin State Patrol racing is a for profit endeavor; you are racing for prize money.

They actually set up a bust at a race track a while back and red tagged most of the guys coming in. I think at that track at least they won't let you race if your hauler doesn't have a DOT number.

 

[Coaldust]

This thread is still running? Well ok. Let’s keep this party going. We can run up to 13,999 lbs commercially until DOT numbers are required. Thanks to the commercial fishing lobbyists and abundance of one-ton DRW flatbeds running around.