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What's your hoe doing?

Discussion in 'Tractor/Loader/Backhoes' started by aighead, Sep 13, 2019.

  1. aighead

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    You rock Tinkerer, thank you.
     
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    Is there value in the steel protectors? That spot, with the extendahoe, sees a lot of action. I also don't know, maybe that hose has lasted the 20 years it's been on there...


    Hoo! Nevermind, at those prices! 20 foot for 730 bucks!
     
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    The steel protectors that look like steel springs are excellent for hose protection.
    A properly fitting one needs to be slid on the hose before both fittings are crimped on.
     
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    When I was working on bucket trucks for an electric utility, we used the spiral type to protect the hoses on units with extension booms, with good results. I must confess that it is a PITA to take the time to install it tho. I am sure the metal would afford better protection, but, as Tinkerer said, needs to be on prior to crimping the fittings.

    I have also seen some guys on youtube using old fire hose for protection...just tie wrapped the ends.
     
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    I used plain old cloth wrap on my JD loader and it is holding up fine. On that one I have 4 hoses running through a common wrap where it articulates against the loader frame.

    On one of my NH hoses the guy at the shop gave me a used spiral plastic wrap. I think it would be superior to the other types but both are working fine.
     
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    Where space is tight not many choices. If room, Greenfield, (electrical metallic flexible tubing).
     
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    I'm hoping to get the hose off this weekend or maybe tomorrow night and I'll see what options the hose store has. My guess is it'll be more of the plastic like what was on there. If I could get metal wrapping for less than a hundred bucks I'll consider it.

    Thanks gang!
     
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    New question! Anyone have any pictures or drawings of their hoe buckets with a welded on or somehow attached flat plate that would temporarily delete the bucket teeth? It seems pretty simple but I've got the tendency to do things wrong the first time or six and I'd rather avoid that. Also, is there a suggested thickness for the flat plate? I have some flat pieces of metal that I could conceivably weld together to make a plate thicker, as right now they are maybe 1/8" thick, if that...
     
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    The fire hose type protection works really well and is pretty inexpensive to put on. Ask the place making the hose what they offer for protection.

    That said, find out how much your hose is going to cost. Most of the hoses on my backhoe are under $100 to replace from my local hose shop. If I get 10 years from a $100 hose, and it didnt have protection before, I'm probably not putting protection on it when replaced. As long as you don't have some oddball fitting, and the hose isn't super long, it probably isn't going to cost a lot to replace. Call around the various hydraulic shops in Dayton and see if they'll ball park a price over the phone, I doubt they'll give a firm quote without seeing hose in person though. Don't go to an equipment dealership, they mark up hydraulic hoses horribly.

    I use a place called BJ Hydraulics. They're a family owned shop in the middle of nowhere, but they're about 5 minutes from my house. The deere dealer is 20 minutes away. Deere charges almost double for the same hose as BJ does. I don't go to Deere for hoses. The Bobcat dealer is farther away, but equally expensive.
     
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    The easiest place I've found (and really one of the only places I've found) is the Parker Store down the way. I made a trek after my first hose breakage to 3 different places who appeared to make or repair hoses and after one pointed me to another that pointed me to another I eventually was pointed to a Parker store about 20 miles up the road and then I found one (on an oil search I believe) that is only a few miles from the house. Yeah, a hundred bucks is about right.
     
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    The Parker hose that came on my grapple was cracking on the cover in just two years. It hasn't gotten worse or broken at 4 years.

    I prefer Gates which I have made at a local CarQuest.

    Just saying.

    Reuse the plastic off the old hose if it looks good. If it's the spiral type it should be easy to clean with a rag and brake clean. The red can CRC brand doesn't damage plastic.
     
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    I'll have to investigate CarQuest, I can't think of any around here but that doesn't mean they don't exist, thank you!

    The plastic on that hose is hosed, when I've tangled with the trees too much it got all jenked up and now looks like a pushed down sock.
     
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    I got the hose replaced. They seemed to only have a Kevlar protection sleeve where I went.

    In the process and after looking at Swetz's pictures I found that my hard line, the metal one running from about halfway down the cylinder was all out of whack, after diving into some trees to rip them down. After I bit of studying I realized I needed to loosen the hard line and swivel it around a bit, tucking the top of it and the soft line connection kind of up over the top of the joint where the dipper meets the boom (I think I'm saying that right), which led to that soft line (the replaced one with Kevlar) falling into the channel just right. Woop. I think I have to modification to do to the other side with the tabs that I suppose are there to guide the hoses into that channel for the extendahoe part? When I tried to bend the one out a bit to catch the hose on it's way down that tab is about to snap off. I guess I should weld that up, though I may have to crack some of those fitting a bit to move that around too. Can I weld right next to a hydraulic hose (with plastic wrapped around it) or should I put some kind of shield between the tab and the hose?
     
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    I'd get it out of harms way. Pictures.
     
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    Wrapped with plastic ? ------ No. Not worth taking a chance.
    I use steel flat stock or a piece of sheet metal for a shield if I'm welding next a hose.
     
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    I have a soldering kit that I made up. In it there is a section of old gutter that I cut open, and a piece of steel that came from one of those old crossbuck white storm doors ( I know some of you remember them:D). I use these as heat shields when torching. Something similar would work for welding.
     
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    I have a bunch of 1/8" thick steel plates that will be perfect for the shielding needed. I wander if there'd be any value in cutting a new tab from these sheets to weld up in the original's place...

    I'll try to get some pictures tonight.
     
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    Here this should save you a few bucks with some strong zip ties your hoses should last long time of not rubbing through and save you few bucks to buy some good bourbon. If you have a chainsaw it works as a sheath on them too.
    https://www.repurposedmaterialsinc.com/index.php?p=catalog&mode=search&search_str=fire+hose
     
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