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Tire Question

Discussion in 'Trucks' started by JTKenworth, May 30, 2011.

  1. toomanymachines

    toomanymachines Well-Known Member

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    Find a wrecker and buy a used set if you cannot afford to replace new. You will never be sorry. You still have to worry about nails or screw, however you will not have to worry about any grit left in the tire, the flap cracking at the stem hole, or even the seam letting go. I would guess you have about 10% of the repairs you are currently having.
     
  2. Fire51

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    Im new to the forum so if the question like this has been answered before i did not see it.
    I have an old fire truck which has the 900x20. I found tubeless rims 22.5x 7.50 I was told i can use the 10r x 22.5 or the 11 r 22.5 what is the difference between these 2 sizes. Also are the 10.00 x 20 made in a tubeless type

    Thanks
     
  3. cetane

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    Do you have dayton (spoke) style rims? Do they have wedges to hold the tire to the hub? Does your rim look like a large ring? If so, the 11R22.5 is the same overall size as a 10.00 20 tire. As is 12R22.5 is the same as a 11.00 20 tire. The 9.00 20 is the same as a "low pro" 22.5. The rim of all 6 of these will fit on the same dayton hub. If you have budd style hubs then you can use any tire size you can find rims with the same lug pattern. ETA 24.5" uses a 22" hub they are a whole different size.
     
  4. tireman

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    First of all n, the 10.00-20(as well as all 20" truck tires) is tube type only. Second, the difference between 10R22.5 and 11R22.5 is the section width and overall height. The 10-22.5 replaces the 9.00-20( same height). You'll want to go with the 10R22.5(the R denotes a radial tire-it's up to you whether you use bias or radial, just do not mix them together on the same axle). Although the 11R22.5 will fit onto the 7.5" wide wheel, it is supposed to go on an 8.25" wide wheel. Any more questions you need answered on this subject, feel free to inbox me. Too any people on here think they know what they are talking about in regards to tires, and some are fairly knowledgeable, while others have no clue but try to give advice anyway.I did commercial/OTR tire service for over 10 years. Does not matter what style wheel you have, the sizes still correlate the same.
     
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  5. tireman

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    :professor All Dayton wheels are held on by wedges,9.00-20 is the same as 10-22.5 not low profile, and all 10 hole Budd wheels are the same bolt pattern.(So are six hole). Rim style does not determine what size tire you can use. :beatsme
     
  6. cetane

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    Wrong. If you have budd or hub pilot you can change rim size. Daton requires the hub be changed to change rim sizes out of the 2.5 inch for the tubeless. I would put all my trust in a guy that just punched a clock instead of some one that actually uses all kinds of different tires and combination on there own trucks. The guy in the tire shop just puts tires on, the guy that owns trucks has to know what works best.
     
  7. tireman

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    :pointlaugh First of all, I ran service trucks my entire career. Second, Dayton wheels have various sizes of spacers and wedges for the sole purpose of accommodating different width rims. The guy who "punches the clock" needs to know all the differences to do his job properly, therefore is intimately familiar with the different set-ups. As far as "change rim sizes out of the 2.5 inch for the tubeless"(whatever that's supposed to mean)- first and foremost, ALL the .5 sizes(14.5,16.5,17.5,19.5,22.5,24.5) ARE TUBELESS!! The .5 denotes a 15 degree bead taper, as opposed to the 5 degree of the whole number sizes.Second, 20" & 22.5 are completely interchangeable on the same set of spokes, as are 22" and 24.5. Maybe this is what you were trying to say, but you lack either the knowledge to say it or the ability to put your thoughts into legible sentences. Either way, it's kinda tough for someone, even one in the know,to actually understand and differentiate what you posted. So, in summary, the tire guy is supposed to know a whole hell of a lot more than just how to mount and inflate a tire. "Just puts tires on"!! And a mechanic "just turns wrenches", I suppose, while the truck owner actually has all the knowledge. Some people never cease to astonish me with their vast intelligence. Have a wonderful day, and please feel free to further educate me on the subject of truck tires and wheels, since you OBVIOUSLY wrote the book. Oh, and for the record, way back in 1997, I took a test to become a Certified Commercial Tire Service Technician given by the then International Tire & Rubber Assn.(now Tire Industry Assn). It was a 100 question timed test, and I scored 96 out of 100 in less than 30 minutes, thereby earning my certification.I'd love to see your score on the same test. I'm on here pretty much every day, so please educate me, as in your reference to a 9.00-20 being the same as a low profile 22.5.:Banghead:stirthepot
     
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  8. tireman

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    Recaps are not legal in Missouri on the steering axles either.
     
  10. cetane

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    Its nice to know that you think you know what you are doing when all you have ever done is work for some one else. I guess thats how you manage to go day to day. Its not my fault that your offended by someone that owns things that you cant. I see thats why you wont be able to own a company and be successful. Keep ranting and raving that you took some tire test (LMAO) and scored high. So I guess if I score high on a test I would know all there is to know. Have a good time while your making someone else money.
     
  11. tireman

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    Funny how the topic suddenly changed to me being offended(which I most certainly am not) because I don't own a truck(by choice, I might add). There it is in a nutshell, everyone. If you work for someone other than yourself, apparently success nor intelligence is an option. Buy a truck and become a wealthy genius appears to be the moral of this story. Did anyone else catch the part where I claimed to know it all, because I can't seem to locate that part. Must be because I work for someone other than myself, so I couldn't possibly know what I'm doing. :falldownlaugh:lmao
     
  12. FWD

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    Tireman,
    I've been following your posts on this thread and others. I think you are a great asset to this forum. I have owned, driven and worked on trucks for all of my adult life. It never ceases to amaze me how some people that own things don't know much at all but think they have all the answers. I made a lot of mistakes but have learned a lot from some owners and guys just like you. Keep posting your information!
    FWD
     
  13. mitch504

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    I wouldn't worry about Cetane, if you look at all 11 of his posts, you'll find they are frequently wrong, and even more frequently unpleasant. If he keeps it up, the members here will probably run him off.

    Tireman, you and I disagreed about some minor point once, but I have no memory of the details. I also have done this over 25 yrs, and have put effort into learning about tires and rims, among many other things. I agree you are an asset to this forum, even when you show such bad judgement as to disagree with me. :D

    Keep it up,
    Mitch
     
  14. tireman

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    Thank you for the positive comments,gentlemen. And while I'm at it, let me take this opportunity to apologize for getting into such an immature pissing match. I hope that I didn't offend anyone, and if I did please forgive me. I am a stubborn pr!ck but I mean only to help. After all, when it comes to trucks in particular, only fuel is a bigger expense, and every extra mile you can safely squeeze out of your tires improves your bottom line. Anyways there's nothing wrong with a healthy disagreement or debate, but then there's going too far , as was witnessed in earlier posts. Stubborn as I am, I DO have a great sense of humor and enjoy a laugh as much as almost anything. That being said, I appreciate your comment, Mitch. And it's gonna take a whole hell of a lot more than what cetane came with to come close to running me off.:guns Have a safe and wonderful day, fellow HEF'ers.:salute :drinkup
     
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  15. tradesman357

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    Tireman. Can you interchange a 20 inch Dayton rim with a 22.5 Dayton rim without changing anything on the truck?
     
  16. Jonas302

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    Yes you can just put the 22.5s right on
     
  17. tireman

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    Yes, bolt right on no changes needed.
     
  18. oceanobob

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    Gents, the world lost a good man and I a good friend and at his memorial we discussed a comment that was made in his regard. He was said to suffer no fools. I did some reading on this and the idea is to learn to laugh with and at foolishness and those on [rare?] occasion to display this behavior .... hmmm havent we all.... Sure makes a contrary circumstance a different experience.
    Thanks to all.
     
  19. rediron

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    Changing my wheels from split rims to dayton.

    Hey,
    I have a 1964 IH 1700 Cabover Loadstar that I pull my antique tractors with. I want to change my 9.00 -20's bias(dry rotted) split rims to 11r-22.5 rad dayton. But my steer rims hit my control arm. Is there a off set rim made to do this? and If so where? I have been told you can put a spacer between hub and drum. Thanks

    1964-IH cabover 1700 loadstar
    1954-IH Farmall Super MDTA
    1982-IH 582 special lawn tractor
    1962 - Ford 861 Power Master
     
  20. Willie B

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    I had the same problem. Called a dozen or more tire dealers, and searched endlessly on the internet. My usual dealer said they aren't being made. Further complicating the search, I wanted a mud tire.

    Some time later I was on vacation near Ellsworth ME and had a bad tire on the travel trailer. On a whim I asked about 10.00-20 heavy tires. "Yeah" he replied, "We can get 'em. It'll take a few days." He got me a complete set.

    They are DOUBLE COIN. I'd have to look at them to see the load rating, they were two plies heavier than my old ones. Back in VT I took them to my usual tire dealer, He said "We could have gotten those!" "Why didn't you?" I asked.

    Willie

    If they aren't available in Canada, I bet you could get them from USA. They are made in China I believe.