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The JLG 40F Boom Lift Dilemma

Discussion in 'Other Construction/Demolition Equipment' started by od1, Sep 12, 2009.

  1. willie59

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    welcome to the forum ems automotive. :usa

    which two wires are disconnected? Where are they located? When your working the emergency pump from the ground, you said it would work the telescope but not boom down. When your trying to work the boom down with e-pump from ground, does the pump sound different than when it is working telescope?
     
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    Thanks for newbie welcome

    thanks for replying, fyi i have driven by your place every spring when i go to the hot rod show at chillowee park in knoxville.

    Lets me restate the wires are cut,

    1st wire goes into round cast iron cyl that looks like a filter near the large drive, rotate, lift valves these valves have the larger hydr hoses.


    2nd wire: Ends behind the ground control panel and goes into the main electrical panel it is cut at both ends, but emergency panel works ok when engine is running and all function work with main pump.


    The e-pump sounds the same, the telescope moves very slowly i can bring it down but the emergency pump will not make the telescope go up, and the emergency pump can make the basket go side to side when operated from the basket. It sounds like the e-pump is trying to build pressure

    to restate: All the e-controls work with main engine pump

    e-controls with e-pump only telescope
     
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    Yep, you would drive right by us coming from Cleveland and going to Chilhowee Park ems automotive. :)

    I'm sure one of us could help you sort through your problem, but I'm not certain what your describing on my end. Any way you could take a pic of the wires in question. Also, can you tell what color they are? May not mean much as it's typical for wiring to get molested by shadetrees over the years, on a machine of this vintage, not unusual to see the wiring system look like Medusa's head. BTW, what type of proportional valves does your machine have, Bertea or Racine. You can see a pic of a Bertea proportional valve at post #35, and a pic of a Racine proportional valve in the first pic to the left at post #225.
     
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    Hi od1
    Try calling JLG and tell them Ed from United Rentals in Ridgefield Park ,NJ shop K25told you to call .Or tell them yuare from United Rentals . Call JLG Support at 1-877-554-5438. Follow the promps ,push for service. They will helpyou out.
     
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    the valves are racine

    the wire color is a plain dark blue, it has a medium lentgh so it kind of ends in the middle of the e-panel and the same in the main wiring box. This bluw wire follows the wiring harness from the e-panel to the main wiring box

    i did not find any spots on the wiring strips that were missing a wire.

    As far jury rigging the macine is pretty well intact as built by jlg. But the old e-pump was rebuilt at least once.

    I have replaced it with a new pump. ( i thought that was the problem)
     
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    Well, not sure ems automotive. I'm seeing a blue wire on the circuit for the swing circuit. Hmm. Still trying to get my head around your problem. Tell ya what, put your cursor over my member name at one of my posts, click on my name. It will take you to my profile. Click on the contact tab, and send me an email at my email address there. I'll try and email you the 40F parts manual. It has the schematics in the manual.
     
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    Hi all, don't want to hijack thread but I need to post three times before I can post my own problem with a jlg 40ha. Sounds like ATCOEQUIP is very knowledgeable and helpful. Thanks fro helping everyone.
     
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    Well, ya got your three posts in. :D

    Welcome to the forum ksp. :usa
     
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    Still trying to noodle through your problem ems.

    Let me see if I got this right. With engine running, all functions work proper from ground controls as well as platform controls. Boom up/dwn, telescope in/out, and boom swing rt/lt. All these functions work properly with engine running.

    Shut off engine. Turn on ignition switch at upper controls. Step on foot switch. Activate boom out toggle switch and emergency pump switch. It does boom out. Activate boom in toggle, emergency pumps is operating, but does not boom in. Same thing with boom up/dwn. Pump is operating, but boom doesn't go up or down. What about boom swing? Have you tried that?

    As for operation from lower controls using emergency pump, pretty much exact same thing as in platform, right?

    I don't want to get hung up on the blue wire for now. I'm thinking if it were an issue, it would affect things with engine running, which you have no problem. I can't help but think you have a voltage problem. Try this, just for the heck of it. Get either a heavy duty shop battery charger, or, a booster vehicle and some heavy duty booster cables. Connect charger or booster vehicle to your battery, activate charger or start booster vehicle so alternator of vehicle is charging. Try operating your emergency system on the machine then and see what happens.
     
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    yes you understand the problem,
     
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    LoL, I got ya, just ain't figured it out yet. :tong

    For the heck of it, try that booster thing I suggested and see what it results. :)
     
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    will try on fri or sat will advise
     
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    it was the bertea control board,the diodes where corroded,i just replaced them with matching diodes and everything works fine,thanks for all your help...
     
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    bertea control board,,the part number on bertea is 264363. i got help from www.mcsindustrial.com i will post more on part replacement circuit parts soon,thanks again all.......
     
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    the ground controls worked fine once in while cause the diodes where acting up,the basket would only decide to go up and not down,don't get stuck in air like i did..
     
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    New guy here

    Hi everyone,

    I don't mean to get in the way here, I just joined the forum a few days ago after reading quite a few postings. Very interesting and informative. I also have a JLG 40F that I could use some advice on. Leaky hydraulic pump is the main issue, otherwise the machine works very well. I don't have and can't find any of the parts manuals, schematics, or repair manuals. I'm trying to figure out what kind of pump is on the machine so I can get a seal kit or maybe a new/rebuilt pump. If anyone could offer some advice on this, I would appreciate it. Thanks.
     
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    What kind of jlg boom lift do you have ?What is the year and serial number ? You can go to jlg.com and download parts,repair and operator manuals for free.I work has a heavy equipment mechanic for United Rentals I may be able to help you.Can ask field rep and techs at work and look it up.Do you have pic of the pump you can post.
     
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    Manuals and schematics are no longer available from JLG website for the 40F tool king. :)

    Welcome to the forum arjaytee. :usa

    I can email you manuals and schematics for the 40F if you like. Need to know if you machine has the Racine or Bertea valves for schematics though. ;)
     
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    I did try the jlg website, and found that the 40F manuals were not available. I think the machine is probably a 1977 or 78. The serial # is 733696. The machine has Racine valves on it. I sure would like to have the manuals e-mailed Atco!
     
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    Will do. They are PDF files and the parts manual is three seperate files to make them small enough to send them email. Do you want info sent to the email address you have in your member profile?