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Tamrock and 3116 Cat Won't Start

Discussion in 'Mining/Aggregates' started by John C., Sep 28, 2022.

  1. John C.

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    Got a call today about this drill that I got running about a year ago. They ran it last week and shut it down and it would turn over and not restart. I went up there for a look see. There was no smoke while the engine was turning over. Sediment bowl in the water separator was clean and I had stripped the water from the tank last year. Anyway, I'll be changing the filters just in case. I didn't see anything wrong with them when I pulled them just to check for dirt in the top. I put them back on and tried starting the engine. This time I got some smoke for about 15 seconds and then it quit. There is a solenoid on the governor but I don't see a transfer pump anywhere on the machine or the engine. I know this engine uses unit injectors but that is as far as my information goes. Does the solenoid need voltage for the engine to run or is it a shut down solenoid. There was no voltage at the terminals when we tried to starting the engine.

    Any and all info would be appreciated.
     
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    Brain fart, the machine is a Tamrock and not a Tamarak.
     
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    The shut-off solenoid is energized to run.
     
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    Thanks, that's should help knowing that I can now chase wiring and electrical components instead of fuel problems. I think it would be easier to chase the fuel problem though.
     
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    Does it have a primer pump? Probably not?
     
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    I couldn’t find one. The wiring is a corroded mess.
     
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    Oh’ boy. The wiring is probably a good place to start. Good luck. Take some pictures of this beast.
     
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    There is a big buss bar connection on the starboard side that is badly corroded. There is also the rodent evidence everywhere.
     
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    The solenoid (probably, I've not seen one that doesn't) has three terminals: Ground, pull-in and hold. The pull-in is usually connected tho the starter energise circuit. The hold is connected to key-on.
    The transfer pump is built into the governor at the end next to the timing case.
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    Thank you Cmark.

    I had thought about it having three wires but only found two on the end. I have a diagram in the book that only shows one wire and calls the thing a shut down solenoid. That's why the thing has me confused. I'll get some photos of this machine later on today.
     
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    A 3116 serial number off the valve cover would help.
     
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    It will work with just the ground and pull-in terminal connected to +ve but the solenoid won't be very happy about it.
     
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    I doubt it's like my buddys boat engine but they have a box on top that has some bosch relays in there. The start solenoid relay goes bad quite often.
     
  14. John C.

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    Engine number is 2MR00411. Here are some photos.

    01 Tamrock Drill.jpeg
    Engine Compartment
    02 Engine Comp.jpeg
    Electrical Junction Block
    03 Junction Block.jpeg
     
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    Some more info;
    Engine Tag
    05 Engine Tag.jpeg
    Maybe some mice or a rat or two.
    04 Rodent evidence.jpeg
    Engine Solenoid
    06 Solenoid.jpeg
     
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    A few wires in the electrical panel;

    07 Electrical Cabinet.jpeg

    08 Electrical Cabinet.jpeg 09 Engine Connection.jpeg

    010 Cut wire in box.jpeg
     
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    I have a customer who has one just like that for sale if your customer is interested. Minus the mouse droppings.
     
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    I'm not going to give him any ideas. I'm already worn out.

    Thanks for the offer though. Did you decide not to fix yours?
     
  19. Cmark

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    Well there you go. It is a 2 wire solenoid. Never seen one before. It may well be energise to stop. You would have to unscrew it and take a look to be sure. Or get a machine wiring diagram and study that.

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    I’m not doubting you. The only time I’ve seen energized to stop on a 3116/3126 was in marine applications. But, that’s from my distorted view of the world.
     
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