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Tag trailer brakes - Electric vs Air

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Andy1845c

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I am looking for a tandem axle tag trailer and have been noticing most have electric brakes. Is this more common? I have been looking for one with air as my truck is set up with air to the rear and I sort of feel like air is going to be more reliable and less maintenance than electric?

Can anyone whos familiar with both add anything?
 

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In my experience trailers designed to tow behind juice brake trucks usually have electric brakes.
Air brake trucks require an extra level of licensing, so truck manufacturers are reluctant to put air brakes on trucks under 26000 LBS gross. I have a Cam Superline 22000 LB triaxle (six tires) trailer with electric brakes. Maybe that isn't a good thing since numerous young men around here have the heavy duty duallie pickups rated to tow it. It gets borrowed a lot.

My own truck is rated 28000 gross, I haven't a good guess as to tow rating. Truck has air brakes, trailer has electric.
I've had zero trouble with electric brakes.

I live in VT, road salt is a big problem. Check brakes every trip, repair wires when needed. I solder ALL connections on highway equipment.

You haven't said what your truck is, If you have your heart set on air brakes, consider a 20 ton trailer, most 20 tons will have air brakes.
 

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Willie has the good answer
I have 26K dump with juice brakes and 20K tag with electric and no issues. Would like air on the truck for parking more then anything
 

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Have two trailers electric brakes, do not use them all that often but as do rely on those systems. Currently adjusters are frozen and need to disassemble to rebuild them, is winter as well the goose will not fit inside shop to put door down. 16' auto hauler can but need to get KW worked out first.

At the Utility we had both, air and electric on tag trailers, PITA electric behind Air Brake trucks, had to have controllers in anything or mark those trucks incapable for certain trailers as even had the hitch for them. Line crews would occasionally grab one and not have brakes for the trailer, were setting themselves up for failure and lawsuits. We were always working the electric sets, had full loaded backing plates in stock to just swap as needed. Air brake units would generally go to auction before needing brake replacements, we ran packed wheel bearings so seal failures did not oil the entire assembly.
 

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You didnt say what size trailer air is supercommon in a tandem duel setup just have to keep your eyes out for one

I think Don S covered the benefits of electric brakes

In MN to DOT an electric trailer the wheels and hubs must come off for inspection not the worst thing if your using it enough to justify a couple hundred in labor and wheels seals every year
 

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Try this .......... IMHO once you get past page 1 it should be R-Rated.
Basically revolves around the fact that the those who maintain trucks for a lving prefer air brakes and those who don't prefer electric.

https://www.heavyequipmentforums.com/threads/kenworth-wiring-for-brake-controllers.86583/

Funny guy. I know it's directed at me and i'm really biting my tongue here, you have no idea what you're talking about, and should really stick to giving advice on things you do know about. Please quote my post in that thread stating that I prefer electric brakes, I would love to see it. If I prefer electric why do I own a air brake trailer? How many years commercial driving experience do you have? Or is it just experience working in a shop no idea of how the brakes actually perform? There's a big difference there. Just because someone can swap out some brakes doesn't make them an expert on them, it doesn't even mean they know how they work. FFS a trailer mechanic here is a second year HD mechanic! That's it, two years is all it takes to be able to legally work on trailers and inspect them, and in your mind be an expert. But someone who has been driving all sorts of truck and trailer combinations for 40 years doesn't know anything according to you?

Electric brakes and air brakes both have a place and a proper purpose, and if maintained properly both are perfectly safe. Like anything, if either are not looked after or not used properly they are not safe. Air brake trailers do have the advantage that the vast majority are self adjusting brakes whereas electric they are still in the minority and if both are neglected air brakes will be safer but it doesn't mean there's anything wrong with electric brakes, it's the idiots who are not looking after them that are the problem. Anyone who outright says electric brakes should not exist is someone has no idea what they're talking about.
 

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If your truck is plumbed for a air trailer already and you have the license to pull it and don't intend to pull with any other vehicle, air is the way to go. Cheaper to buy and maintain and will be a much heavier trailer if you ever need it. You can find 20 ton tags on air for virtually nothing, cheaper then an electric trailer with 3 7k axles and will cost about the same to maintain. It's a lot more to get the license to pull them here. Many companies I know are doing away with trailers altogether and going to 5 axle straight trucks to get away from the license requirements of air brake trailer.

Electric brakes are good for trailers around the 30,000lb mark and lower, people who use pickups, or both pickups and heavy trucks to pull the same trailer. Despite what some may say here, electric brake failures are very few and far between and are mostly due operator error. A big problem is the way people hook and unhook the electrical plugs. In all my years of pulling electric trailers i've never had brakes fail completely. The worst is you start to turn up the controller to get enough braking force, and then you know you need to climb under and adjust the brakes and good for a long time. The brake shoes however are much much smaller and won't go nearly as long between replacements.

Here if you're over 26,000lbs gross truck and trailer need annual inspection, regardless of electric or brake brakes wheels must be pulled every 2 years.
 

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Funny guy. I know it's directed at me and i'm really biting my tongue here, you have no idea what you're talking about, and should really stick to giving advice on things you do know about. Please quote my post in that thread stating that I prefer electric brakes, I would love to see it. If I prefer electric why do I own a air brake trailer? How many years commercial driving experience do you have? Or is it just experience working in a shop no idea of how the brakes actually perform? There's a big difference there. Just because someone can swap out some brakes doesn't make them an expert on them, it doesn't even mean they know how they work. FFS a trailer mechanic here is a second year HD mechanic! That's it, two years is all it takes to be able to legally work on trailers and inspect them, and in your mind be an expert. But someone who has been driving all sorts of truck and trailer combinations for 40 years doesn't know anything according to you?

Electric brakes and air brakes both have a place and a proper purpose, and if maintained properly both are perfectly safe. Like anything, if either are not looked after or not used properly they are not safe. Air brake trailers do have the advantage that the vast majority are self adjusting brakes whereas electric they are still in the minority and if both are neglected air brakes will be safer but it doesn't mean there's anything wrong with electric brakes, it's the idiots who are not looking after them that are the problem. Anyone who outright says electric brakes should not exist is someone has no idea what they're talking about.
Please now admit you are addicted to crack cocaine. You didn't call out Nige as not knowing!

Everybody has their opinion, most are based on their personal experience. Nige is among the best informed here.
 

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If your truck is plumbed for a air trailer already and you have the license to pull it and don't intend to pull with any other vehicle, air is the way to go. Cheaper to buy and maintain and will be a much heavier trailer if you ever need it. You can find 20 ton tags on air for virtually nothing, cheaper then an electric trailer with 3 7k axles and will cost about the same to maintain. It's a lot more to get the license to pull them here. Many companies I know are doing away with trailers altogether and going to 5 axle straight trucks to get away from the license requirements of air brake trailer.

Electric brakes are good for trailers around the 30,000lb mark and lower, people who use pickups, or both pickups and heavy trucks to pull the same trailer. Despite what some may say here, electric brake failures are very few and far between and are mostly due operator error. A big problem is the way people hook and unhook the electrical plugs. In all my years of pulling electric trailers i've never had brakes fail completely. The worst is you start to turn up the controller to get enough braking force, and then you know you need to climb under and adjust the brakes and good for a long time. The brake shoes however are much much smaller and won't go nearly as long between replacements.

Here if you're over 26,000lbs gross truck and trailer need annual inspection, regardless of electric or brake brakes wheels must be pulled every 2 years.
My experience is electric brakes failure often is caused by corrosion of copper wire at connection points. This problem can be corrected.
 

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I have had the electric brakes fail on me three times on two different trucks and no one knows why. Came up to a stop light in the snow with about 14k or 15k and was in for a ride. Service stabilatrac came on the dash and when the truck got shut off it went away and the garage had no clue what happened. Same warning on dash on two different gmc trucks. Very confidence inspiring.
Never had air brakes do that.
 

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OP has a truck set up for air and looking for a tandem axle tag trailer (assuming dual tandems) - air is far superior when the truck is set up for it and the driver is properly licensed in my experience. I have a 54K dual tandem that I've drug all over central and south Alabama.

Now for the personal insults and comments outside the electric or air brake system topic is not something we tolerate here on HEF.

Come on guys.:cool:
 

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Please now admit you are addicted to crack cocaine. You didn't call out Nige as not knowing!

Everybody has their opinion, most are based on their personal experience. Nige is among the best informed here.

I've seen numerous posts of his in relation to equipment and he seems to know his stuff there, but i've yet to see any evidence that he is knowledgeable about brakes, particularly in regards to their performance.

If electric brakes are as unsafe as some claim like Nige, why aren't they outlawed everywhere for being unsafe? The simple answer is because they are perfectly safe.
 

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I have had the electric brakes fail on me three times on two different trucks and no one knows why. Came up to a stop light in the snow with about 14k or 15k and was in for a ride. Service stabilatrac came on the dash and when the truck got shut off it went away and the garage had no clue what happened. Same warning on dash on two different gmc trucks. Very confidence inspiring.
Never had air brakes do that.

If you're hitting the brakes and a light is coming on, that's a problem in the truck, not a issue with the trailer brakes. Could be as simple as a loose wire or loose trailer connector. Electric brakes rely on one wire or else they fail, air brakes rely on one air line or else they can fail. How many are also plumbed illegally without a tractor protection valve? How safe is it if the trailer looses air the truck does too? I'd rather deal with a trailer with no brakes then a truck and trailer with spring brakes applying without any control.

If you were pulling 15k why wasn't it a 60 ton lowboy? That's your problem right there. It's way too much weight for a pickup. You should go look in the mirror, you could have killed a innocent family.
 

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Its a forum
Everyone has an opinion (just like the other thing everyone has) and everyone gets to voice it

In most cases I hear Blah, Blah, Blah when it comes to opinions

Would love to have air brakes, but sure don't want to get a CDL, so I'll stick with electric
 
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