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Stupidity after work hours.

Discussion in 'Safety Issues' started by Truckie, Apr 23, 2008.

  1. oldtanker

    oldtanker Senior Member

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    Kid hitting a ball or spinning donuts in a parking lot isn't trying to deliberately break anything. Kid throwing a rock through a window is. You make the first pay damages so that they learn to think things through, the other you charge! Poor parenting? I've seen a lot of kids who had good, hard working parents who did thier best to teach thier kids right from wrong and still had kids in trouble with the law. Then you got guys like my BIL, single dad with custody, who thought the chruch was going to teach my nephew right from wrong. If the BIL had spent more time at home with his kid instead of chasing skirts maybe he wouldn't have had to spend so much time in a court room over the last year.

    Rick
     
  2. leachrod

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    This took a full circle, wow. My shop been broke into 5 times its the cost of business. In todays world and most company add this into there business cost. A kid breaking a window by accident is under things happen. Just like hitting that deer on the way to work when you wasn't. Speeding. Insurance companys by insurance for insurance companys. They keep cost under control insurance doesn't. Go up. Any kid wanting to learn this business and be good will have failure first. We need young people. To learn and if it cost a window. Or two so what. Who's going to replace us old guys. I say insurance. Co. Can eat my dust while turning donuts
     
  3. Randy88

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    Dozerboy, after the first incident, the insurance company would be called, and someone would show up to assess the situation, give recommendations and I'd have to do as they say. I can't argue with you on installing extra measures sometimes does little good, just that if I don't take those actions, I wouldn't get paid for that damage without a lot of hassle, if it kept up, and the insurance company couldn't figure out how to stop or prevent it, which at this point in time, has never been the case yet, I'm not sure what they'd do or require, I've never asked that question, nobody else at any seminar over the years has asked it either.

    I never used to take heed of much they said up until I got the first cancellation notice in the mail, and the first manditory insurance seminar workshop I had to attend. Now my state also requires by law to have insurance on my vehicles, and most of my customers require me to carry insurance on my business, so until changes are made in policy, I need the insurance to remain in business, period. If they deem I do certain things that make little sense, they in turn get what they want, is it legal, I'm not sure, exactly, does it cover every situation and every circumstance, probably not, but the first requirement they have is locking everything up that they have coverage written on, its pretty simple, or else.

    I used to resist going to the insurance meetings and update meetings, but after the first few, I've come full circle and now view things in a far different way, every new person there for the fist time has the mentality of I've done what I can, its someone else's fault, not mine, after a few update meetings, they come to view it completely different, a more proactive approach to the problem and prevention approach instead of a how they used to view it. If your state doesn't require this, fine, if your insurance companies don't either, great for you, but since my unreal world does, I guess I'll keep doing what keeps me in business, and thefts and vandalism to about zero, you'll have to worry about how everyone's kids are raised and how bad society is a a whole, I'll keep figuring out how to prevent things, not how to fix things after the fact, and oh by the way, I think I can handle locking my truck doors as well, and have been told how to prevent someone from breaking into something to find out there's nothing worth stealing, it was covered in a seminar I had to attend, never had issues since either, didn't do me much good to blame anyone else either, that didn't solve the problem, education did though.

    I think I'll continue living in my world, it has far less issues of theft, vandalism, insurance claims, property damage and when I did have some, I've got people to assist to help solve the problem which in turn helps to lower my insurance costs even more, through lower premiums due to few or no claims, its also been over 20 years since I've had an vandalism or property damage either, I"m thinking education helped, since others around me have had always had issues, is my day coming, probably, but I know for a fact, my older thinking, like some still have it would have been far worse all these years. Just an observation to ponder over.
     
  4. CraneInnovation

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    If I may add a comment, there is a VERY big difference between what one is legally liable for, liable for through their insurance companies, and what one is morally responsible for.

    Randy is right about insurance liability, but I disagree with the idea that an insurance contract has anything to do with right and wrong. The kids are 100% responsible for damage they do. Period. Doesn't matter if the gate was unlocked or their parents never hugged them. Now, if we want to go deeper, yes, I would say that most of the problems with our young people are due to an inexcusable lack of good parenting in the West. I do not know a single person who was raised by good parents in a proper way that ended up living a life characterized by irresponsibility. After all, "Train a child up in the way that he should go, and when he is old, he will not depart from it." We all have bad phases, but the trajectory of a person's life is very heavily tied to how they were raised.

    That being said, their actions are 100% their own fault. A kid who throws a rock at a machine or lights construction materials on fire is 100% responsible for his actions whether accidental or intentional. If its an accident, they owe the owner an apology and offer to make it right. If they fail to do that, it becomes a willful act plain and simple. Prosecuting by any available means in reasonable proportion to the damage done is the best thing you can do for a kid like that.

    Being arrested and tried for vandalism may be the first time some of these kids were actually held to a standard of right and wrong. I work with high school students building robots after school, and I can say for a fact that when we have to give a kid a stern talking to for horsing around it, very sadly, is usually one of the first times in their lives that an older man firmly but fairly held them accountable because he cared about their future. Its sad, but true.

    Interesting discussion.
     
  5. oldtanker

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    I don't know what kind of deductible the guys in business are paying but I bet it's pretty high. So insurance may not cover or cover all of a broken window. I think that the kid will learn more by making him pay for it. He may have to make payments but it's still something he will remember. If you make the kid understand that his other option is talking to the cops he may even realize that you did him a favor. That could turn him into a good loyal employee.

    Rick
     
  6. monster76

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    the same thing happen to me....... i was the one doing donuts and i broke my dads friends backhoe windshield needless to say it was fixed before any one found out lol and when you 16 that felt like i was buying a house cash. of course i had to come clean though
     
  7. fixou812

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    I was born in 1961 some things my Father taught me.....just a few...
    children should be seen and not heard (not saying its right. Just saying)
    The age of reason is age seven.....just saying
    Ever notice how kids now interrupt adults conversing or talk over them?
    Where they your grand kids or children?
    Did you miss a teaching moment or rebuke them?
    No you let it go.....I see it every where all the time.
    they blurt rite over their parents and the parents say nothing.
    one of Dads sayings was... " If you don't learn on your own the world will teach you"
    And I don't think he meant in a "nice way"
    "Be too smart to get in trouble" I knew he didn't mean sly etc.
    "Life (the world is serious business" not frivolous
    " it's not good enough to know right from wrong"
    Yo have to know what makes it right and what makes it wrong.
    You can't run away from home 7 but once... we will still have you over for dinner on Sunday
     
  8. fixou812

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    Hockey soccer football. ..... ?
    Sports are one of the important things in life?
    Watching someone else "play"?
    No he never taught me that.
     
  9. Cam85

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    Ha ha ha ha ha I think this is really funny for crying out loud he is a kid was probably having a great time till he broke the window.Im thinking that some of u have forgotten wat it's like to b young.
    Buy all means make the kid pay and give him a good ribbing if handled correctly this could b a good learning curve 4 the young lad.
    He who has never made a mistake has never done anything.
    Who among all of us has never done anything stupid cut the kid some slack.
    Ime not saying let him off scot free in fact the direct opposite is needed but I really don't think the kid intended to break thins intentionally.
    The right person could turn this into a positive think about it.

    Here is a story 2 back my theory I was 14 and grandpa used to let me drive an old Holden ute to footy practice the back way.1 night with my team mates egging me on I dropped the clutch in reverse and spun the wheels I backed in to a street sign probably the only kid in Australia that's got wip lash from backing into something.
    I went home and said nothing because there was no damage to the ute it was a toner about an hour later the local Sargent rocked up and knocked on the door obvisualy I had to come clean.
    My punishment was that there were about 6 street sigens leaning over in the whole town and I had to fix them all at my own expense I had to make payments on the materials dig the holes by hand ect and cut split posts 4 a day to pay 4 the fuel.
    The result was I have never backed into anything since.those old fellers might not have been perfect but they had there ways and u learned.
    Now days I consider the incident to b quite comical and the Sargent to b my friend.
     
  10. Scrub Puller

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    Yair . . . Cam85. Good story. Some of the old blokes seemed tough but they taught some basic lessons.

    I have mentioned on here about a young bloke who got an apprenticeship at a welding shop in a fair sized country town . . . but was told he had to cut his shoulder length hair or else.

    Never happened.

    It went on for about three weeks nothing said and he thought it was forgotten and just an idle threat. Then one morning Smithy (18 stone and ugly) scruffed him and cut his hair off with a four pound hammer on the anvil . . . then handed him the keys of his brand new Tojo and twenty bucks and told him to go down the street and get a proper haircut and bring back some pies for smoko.

    Lesson learned.

    Cheers
     
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    There is an article in today's Duluth News Tribune about a DWI arrest on a larger Cat excavator.
     
  12. Tinkerer

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