Small farm dump

[colson04]

Well, after years of borrowing a dump truck for various projects, I finally bought one for myself.

1992 International 4900 DT 466, Allison MT653 trans, live hydraulics.

I've been looking for a nice municipal truck for awhile and this one fit most of the markers. While I'm not a huge fan of the automatics, I wanted one for farm use so I can have my wife haul stones/ dirt/stumps while I run the hoe to load.


Picked it up at an auction cheap because the Allison is burned. The fluid stinks, trans slips bad in forward gears. Seems to shift firmly into reverse, I didn't notice any issues there. Planning to drop the trans and get a rebuild kit.

 

[td25c]

That's A nice find colson !

Look's in pretty good shape .

 

[colson04]

Oh, it's a 20 ft job, but will work fine for me. Someone at some point did spend some time and money cleaning, degreasing and painting this rig. It has a full length double frame that is showing some signs of rust jacking in the rear half. I will have to address that before it gets our of hand, along with the transmission. The engine starts nice, half a crank and she fired off cold the other day. We shall see how it does once I put it to work this fall

 

[Theweldor]

Most generally those Allisons are pretty tough. I am sure you will only rebuild it once in your lifetime.

 

[colson04]

That's what I'm hoping for

 

[GregsHD]

Nice find!

I need one like that for my ol' lady!

 

[colson04]

Anybody got any good tips cleaning up the paint on the doors? There's remnants of 2 different owners information on the side of the door and I would like to clean it up without having to repaint, if that's possible. I haven't done much body work so I don't know if rubbing compound would be enough, or wet sanding, etc. Thoughts?

 

[Theweldor]

I would try buffing it out with some buffing compound first. Worst that can happen is repaint the doors.

 

[farmerlund]

If its sign painters paint, easy off oven cleaner will take it off. spray on let sit a few minutes rub off. may take a few times Nice little truck for running around the farm.

 

[Delmer]

There were a couple of ways I thought that title was going, and this wasn't one of them

Regarding rust jacking double frames, the way I see it you have two or three options. 1. Remove the rust, not typically practical, would usually require taking the frame rails apart. 2. Attempt to remove as much of the rust as possible, hammer it, use freeze thaw to your advantage, pressure wash it etc. 3. Leave the rust in place and try to slow it down, the only practical way in most cases.

Obviously lightly used vehicles in the salt/snow belt are the usual victims of rust jacking, the salt being the critical factor that has to be controlled. Even if you never drive this thing in salt again, the salt will never leach out on it's own and the corrosion will continue. I've never done this, but in this situation, I'd like to set up a pipe system to drip water into the top of the crack, hook that to a rain barrel and leave it hooked up for a season. Once dry, seal the top and bottom of the rails except for ports to add rust preventative of your choice, diesel with added wax, old motor oil etc. If the pipe irrigation system is too much work, at least put a sprinkler under there for a few days to rinse the salt off before oiling it, the oil makes it harder to rinse the salt out of the rust.

 

[Willie B]

You will find the Allison delivers more power to the wheels than a standard. Manually shift down when needed, service it when you should, It'll last forever.

 

[RZucker]

You will find the Allison delivers more power to the wheels than a standard. Manually shift down when needed, service it when you should, It'll last forever.

I would say not more power, just steadier power. The 653 Is a second gear start transmission and has to be manually shifted to first gear which is a deep reduction ratio. Real easy to just lay in the power you need to get it moving.

 

[petepilot]

possible solution for the salt issue is ( chlorid) used on bridge steel to eliminate salt rot expensive stuff but it works look it up

 

[Tenwheeler]

Well, after years of borrowing a dump truck for various projects, I finally bought one for myself.

1992 International 4900 DT 466, Allison MT653 trans, live hydraulics.

I've been looking for a nice municipal truck for awhile and this one fit most of the markers. While I'm not a huge fan of the automatics, I wanted one for farm use so I can have my wife haul stones/ dirt/stumps while I run the hoe to load.
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Picked it up at an auction cheap because the Allison is burned. The fluid stinks, trans slips bad in forward gears. Seems to shift firmly into reverse, I didn't notice any issues there. Planning to drop the trans and get a rebuild kit.

I have had good service on parts from TKT Sales. If it gets real bad check army surplus. There were some remans in storage containers floating around for about $3000.

 

[colson04]

I have to get it pulled and torn down to see the damage. I'm thinking it is burned frictions based on how it slips only in drive, but I won't know til we get it apart.

Locally, there is a running take out for $990 plus tax, a reman from Valley Truck in Grand Rapids for about $2800 plus tax, a master rebuild kit for $670 but that is backordered or a donor truck of same vintage with DT466 and MT653 trans for $1500.

Many options. Rebuilding mine is probably cheapest, getting a reman and swapping would be fastest.

I'll have a better idea soon

 

[RZucker]

I have to get it pulled and torn down to see the damage. I'm thinking it is burned frictions based on how it slips only in drive, but I won't know til we get it apart.

Locally, there is a running take out for $990 plus tax, a reman from Valley Truck in Grand Rapids for about $2800 plus tax, a master rebuild kit for $670 but that is backordered or a donor truck of same vintage with DT466 and MT653 trans for $1500.

Many options. Rebuilding mine is probably cheapest, getting a reman and swapping would be fastest.

I'll have a better idea soon

Pretty easy trans to rebuild. Probably a burned out forward clutch behind the front support/pump housing. When I say "forward clutch" that is the front clutch in the stack, not just for forward gears. I think I still have service and parts manuals for them, if you want to borrow them.
Oh, the absolute MUST after a rebuild is to check the adjustments on the shift cable against the "clicks" on the shift arm. Any pressure on the pin will low pressure one clutch or another and you will have the same result you have now.

 

[Mark250]

Not sure how mechanically minded you are. but it is possible to remove the forward clutch in situ if you are careful.
I scanned my books to pdf if you want some info.
Mark

 

[colson04]

Pretty easy trans to rebuild. Probably a burned out forward clutch behind the front support/pump housing. When I say "forward clutch" that is the front clutch in the stack, not just for forward gears. I think I still have service and parts manuals for them, if you want to borrow them.
Oh, the absolute MUST after a rebuild is to check the adjustments on the shift cable against the "clicks" on the shift arm. Any pressure on the pin will low pressure one clutch or another and you will have the same result you have now.

I Appreciate the offer, but I found the Allison Service Manual online and was able to download it. Publication SM1317EN from August 1996, revised July 1999. I've been reading through it to get familiar with what I'll be seeing when I get this one apart.

I've got a couple projects for the wife to complete first, then I'll be tearing into this one.

 

[Nishan Sandhu]

Nice choice Colson. That model featured a mechanical injection system. Looks great

 

[colson04]

I ended up ordering a reman transmission from Weller in Grand Rapids, MI. I don't have time to do a rebuild and they were the only company that could have one built this week. Mine has 3rd gear hold and, from what I was told, it's not that common unless it's a plow truck, which mine is.

I pulled the trans Monday afternoon. Easy peasy. I squandered 5 hours on it with a buddy, but probably more like 90 minutes of doing any actual work.

Picked up the reman at lunchtime today and will be putting it in this evening. My goal is to get it in and flushed tonight so I can haul gravel tomorrow. My driveway needs some work