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short cuts kill

Discussion in 'Safety Issues' started by dgreene, Feb 9, 2007.

  1. dgreene

    dgreene Active Member

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    I geuss you guys can figure out why this guy died.
     

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  2. PSDF350

    PSDF350 Senior Member

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    A thread was started on this a couple weeks ago.
     
  3. dgreene

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    sorry new member
     
  4. PSDF350

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    Not a problem.
     
  5. digger242j

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    Here's a link to that thread:https://www.heavyequipmentforums.com/Forum/showthread.php?t=2420

    The series of pictures that were originally posted in that thread were removed, for the reasons discussed there. This accident seems to keep coming up, from different members. If it will serve to notify everybody of which particular series of accident pictures has already been discussed, and found not suitable for posting here, I'll let this one picture remain. As expressed in the other thread, this won't be the site for display of graphic images of injury or death. This is the only one of the series that you'll see posted on this site.
     
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  6. Dozerboy

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    What kind of dozer is that it's a funny looking high track?
     
  7. Lashlander

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    It looks to me like a Cat Skidder. They extended the track frames back to counter act the grapple.
     
  8. Countryboy

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    I have to agree with you Lashlander. I viewed another angle of that accident and the hi-drive gear is almost dead center of the machine like the one below.

    Tracked skidder.jpg
     
  9. digger242j

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    This one came up again in the past couple of days, (albeit, this time in the crane forum) so I've made this thread a sticky. Hopefully it'll be seen by all, and we won't have to edit out those pictures yet again.
     
  10. fireman050

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    hey digger do you know where i can see the rest of the pics?
     
  11. Texasgary

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    The BAD thing is telling the family, I feel sorry for them, the hell that they go through.
     
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    man that is just terrible i mean think if somebody had just paid more attention
     
  14. surfer-joe

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    The guy had probably done this before often and never had a problem. Too bad. Just that one time is usually so tragic and final when it does happen.
     
  15. Arabhacks

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    Thinking.

    Hello.

    One thing people must understand.
    We work with this equipment, it could happen to me!
    Most of us have a family, I am the exception.
    For this reason this upsets me, my coworkers :mad: ARE my family!
    Ask yourself this, would you walk up to me and hand me a bunch of pictures like this?
    It took me A FEW DAYS to come up with a tame response to this.
     
  16. oldtanker

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    Hate to say this but if this post saves one life then it's worth it. OK I'm an old soldier. I served on tanks (combat arms for those who don't know include infantry, armor (tanks), scouts, combat engineers...ECT,). OK soldiers are supposed to die for thier country. Construction workers shouldn't! And hell yes I would hand you the photos hoping it would make you a little safer!

    Rick
     
  17. wpdozer

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    saw these photos while taking osha 30 class at iuoe training center, the instructor asked us if we saw anything wrong in these photos. wet frozen ground, no ramps, unsafe dunnage under trailer, loading machine over back of lowboy. If they disconnected the lowboy from the start this would not have happened, And yes the other photos of this are not suitable for posting, they are graphic and disturbing.
     
  18. akroadrunner

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    When I was a kid, my Dad used to get a safety publication called "Fatalities". It had hand drawn pictures of logging accidents and a narrative of what happened. I read every one of them that he got. I was maybe 10 y.o. when I first started reading them. I am quite certain it has made me a lot more safety conscious over the years.
     
  19. Christophera

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    Yea, shorts cuts kill - I tied to warn the owner/operator

    but he would not listen. That is the angle blade with one of 2 slope board laying next left of the 550 JD after it landed on the road that stopped it rolling.

    http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=55pmr9&s=6

    I estimate the dozer was doing about 40mph, corner to corner endos on its "short cut" down the 45 degree rock face behind the camera. About 10 rotations.

    I pleaded with him to remove the non operational slope boards before attempting to pioneer in fractured very hard rock. I pleaded with him wait to get another machine. The clutch and brake machine with worn tracks was an invitation to disaster even with the right blade. Having some moisture would have made some difference too. Six weeks later he was gone.

    Yes, disturbing, but for some reason the D4 sitting upside down of the tail of that lowbed is worse for me. However, both are very good reminder about short cuts to doing anything around equipment.
     
  20. docdirt.net

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    National safety and tractor safety(?:))

    Sounds like you knew him. Sorry for your loss. Too bad there wasn't a group of experienced operators involved, he might have listened.
    I couldn't figure out where else to post this than the safety forum. This looks like the right thread.

    Hope my entire act isn't banned here for showing the kind of short cuts I have to take. Really dangerous things, probably shouldn't do them, but I've got to make a living and I have a great deal of experience. Also I'm working on really mportant things for all of us, so I need people to realize what I can do in order to stay busy self employed.

    I take dozers to the limit, and that is probably not recommended by anyone. Yea, clearing brush, surface packing slides, slope borrows for repairs(?). Using the whole dozer for a slope board, that kind of thing. Never rolled one, I learned from the best.

    Not to mention I'm here trying gain some interest in my videos so a download site can be justified, if it will be, IN ORDER TO CONTINUE WITH DEFENSE OF THE U.S. CONSTITUTION. Hard to believe, but its true. I've done a few fairly radical things in the past couple of years that are fundamental to knowing how bad the constitution needs defense to preserve our rights, and I've done them with facts i can share.
    I probably don't need to convince anyone something is seriously wrong with government, depending on how close they've been watching, but I understand political discussion is downplayed here. Hit me up for details on how I expect to defend our constitution if you are interested yourself. I'll post a link to another forum about Article V. I'll say I'm only and all about Article V, or, our first constitutional right, and assuring that ALL amendments to the constitution have constitutional intent. BTW, that really is NOT politics, but I'll need a mods okay and this might not be the forum division for it

    BTW, I work as a surveyor and designer of grading and drainage plans under a civil engineer and have for 28 years. Also a welder for 35 and a decent repair tech for 30. I've never owned equipment, (except my welder and survey gear) always rented to fit the jobs. Owners of equipment rent (rare) me their equipment so it'll get a good inspection. It turns out an operator that is sensitive to the sounds and vibrations of a dozer and will inspect accordingly, can catch a lot of things before they become expensive or dangerous problems.

    Since there is no grading work these days; which I saw coming long ago with the constitutional usurpation's of the recent past, making even a greater need now for defense of the constitution, I shot some video of a few radical jobs then (2006-09). One had a severe need for an advanced drainage install of water bars and proper water crossings making an instructional video possible. In that, I install and shape water bars, swales then show them after the rains so you can see they've worked.
    These techniques save a huge amount of money and dirt by limiting erosions of the roadway. It's narrated on occasion, has music and there's a topo that flashes through with an arrow on it tracking the progress of a road reopening that was done in 12 hours. Total 3 hours of video, 2 parts.
    Very substandard ranch type road at best, but providing some vehicular access to a 40 acre parcel in radical terrain. After you see how I deal with water on narrow steep roads, give it to the kids to watch. That's' worth about 20 times the cost of the video in 90 minute parts, depending on the kids of course. They'll all be interested however.

    The page below has a link to my youtube channel where I've uploaded two, 5 minute +- trailers of the instructional video and a half dozen or so 1 to 10 minute clips of getting overburden off of rotational slides and filling erosions created by failed drainage devices. All done with a John Deere 450 angle dozer.

    http://dodirt.net