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My 580B Resurrection......

Discussion in 'Tractor/Loader/Backhoes' started by Cbait580b, Dec 3, 2018.

  1. Cbait580b

    Cbait580b Well-Known Member

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    Hey.... Born and bred here in the Ozarks for 57 years. The "Money Pit" is my 1st piece of construction equipment. It has been quite the learning experience.
     
  2. Cbait580b

    Cbait580b Well-Known Member

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    I had a wrecker come and lift the backhoe unit off the my trailer today... Semi size wrecker. It wasn't cheap, but the hoe is on the ground. Looking things over I'll need to replace all 4 stabilizer hoses and a few others, going to be easier with it on the ground. It has had some hoses on the boom and dipper replaced at some time.

    I did a quick search of the site but didn't find anything. Do any companies supply hose kits other than OEM??
     
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    Really enjoy reading this thread,you’re doing a fantastic job,keep up the great work!
     
  4. Tenwheeler

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    Suggest you ask around on who to use locally. Prefer to stay with companies like Gates, Aeroquip and Parker. Some companies have huge markups and some driving can save you a lot of money.
    Do not know of companies with hose kits for those, maybe someone else does.
     
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  5. Cbait580b

    Cbait580b Well-Known Member

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    I went to O'Reilly's. Ouch.... all 4 lines $299. About the same as 2 other places I checked. They are installed and fit good. I chatted with Mr Dale about how to get the hoe standing back up. I bought 2 - 4ft 1/2" hoses and adapters to lengthen the existing lines. Backed the "Money Pit" close as I could and connected the hoses. Being cautious I started operating the stabilizer levers and got them bled out. The boom had swung all the way to the left and the control levers are parallel to the ground. I grabbed a long piece of 1x2 firing strip and used it to push the foot pedals to center the boom and placed a big pin in the centering hole to steady it. Next I tried to lower the boom(rather get the control station back upright). Large fluid spray from the boom cylinder area. Found it.. the swivel joint on the boom side just blowing out oil. Quick run to my manual to find the snap ring missing. Called Mr. Dale and ordered seals for both fittings and seals for the stab cylinders.. the left cylinder just dumping fluid like the swivel joint. That's it till next week when the parts arrive.
    On another front. Hit a groundhog den tedding hay with the Ford tractor. The jar ripped the wheel from my hands. A few mins later noticed a fluid leak under the fuel tank. Guess the impact ruptured a short rubber line in the steel pressure line going to the gear box.. new aftermarket all rubber hose coming from WA late next week.. Both tractors down....great!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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  6. Cbait580b

    Cbait580b Well-Known Member

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    Got the seals for the boom swivel joint and stab cylinders from Mr. Dale. Installed the joint o rings and hooked the tractor back to the hoe. After some maneuvering of control levers and hoses the hoe was uprighted and pinned on the tractor. YIPPIE!!!!!! I climbed aboard and started moving the hoe to bleed out some air. Everything seemed to be good, still bad leak on oh stab cylinder. Lifted the boom to engage the transport lock to drive the "Money Pit" up to the garage and the rh boom cylinder started a geyser.... Wow....lost a lot of fluid.
    Back on the phone to Indiana for more seals and a spanner wrench......
     
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    I got the boom seal kits in and tackled the stab cylinder Mon. MR. Dale had already sent me the stab kits. I also had him ship me a spanner wrench. I got lucky on the stab pin and got it pushed out fairly easily with my porta power. The rest of the seal install went pretty easy. The boom cylinder... it took my Ford tractor as an anchor to pull the ram out with a come along. I anchored the ram eye in my vice and hit the bolt with my 1/2" pneumatic impact. No Dice!!! Dropped the ram at a buddies shop and even with a cheater bar we couldn't loosen the bolt. Trying to locate a 3/4" impact to borrow or buy. Hope it will do the job.
     
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    I use a 24 inch pipe wrench on a socket. Then a pipe with a track bar in it on the wrench handle.
    Never failed to break them loose yet.
     
  9. edgephoto

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    I had one nut that would not come off my Cat's boom cylinder. I broke 2 snap on 1/2 breaker bars, stripped out a chinese 3/4 ratchet and bent the handle. My machine is at my brothers auto business. Matco truck rolled in. I have known him for 25 years. He whips out his most powerful 3/4" drive air gun. No dice.

    My brother knows the shop foreman at the local grocery distributor's truck shop. They had to fire up a trailer air compressor and use a big 1" drive gun. Their shop air supply was not enough. They barely got it off with that setup.

    Each attempt we had it pretty hot too in case there was red loctite.

    You may need to use a 3/4 drive breaker bar and pipe or find a place that has a 1" impact and have them remove it for you.
     
  10. Cbait580b

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    Found a guy close to me who works on hydraulics. Left it with him..he told me he had to use some heat. Gently warm to 280F, he didnt say if he had to use his 10 ft cheater bar. Got it back here at the house cleaning and replacing the seals.
     
  11. Cbait580b

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    Have some very good news for a change.... I got the boom cylinder put back together.. pumped about 7 gal of hydro fluid back in.
    Climbed aboard and fired the "Money Piy" up. I slowly worked the controls to get everything bled out. No new leaks yet. YIPPIE!!!! My 1st project was a small stump. I worked it at slower rpm, 1st time in 2 years I've ran a hoe and never a 3 lever. Things yet to fix are the seat base and spring(Coy.... I still don't understand where the snap ring goes), going to need swing tower and boom pins and bushings yet..but HEY!!!!! Its moving.
     
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    Item no. 13 is the spiral ring, You feed the spring into the inner post and then into the base when you compress it all the way the inner post will stick through the bottom of the base that's where the spiral ring goes. upload_2020-6-27_7-50-19.png
     
  13. Cbait580b

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    I've been using the Money Pit a little digging out some small trees. The 24" bucket is too big for rock and clay soil we have here. I've been looking on Facebook for a 16"- 18" bucket. Some ads say not sure what it fits. What's the best way to figure that out?
     
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    The best way is to remove your bucket and measure the pin hole diameter and center to center distance from main pin to bucket cylinder pin. Then ask seller of other bucket to do the same. Also you can check with some equipment salvage yards, like Schaefer Enterprises @ 800-626-6046 or check Rock&Dirt forsale ads
     
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    I've been busy last couple of weeks and have let the Money Pit sit as sort of a test. I've been watching the cylinders, the left stab cylinder has dropped about 1/2 way and the boom has dropped several inches but still off the ground. I'll give it a (B+). Meanwhile I've been on the search for a more narrow bucket. Today I have 1 being shipped in from MN, a nice 16" heavy duty bucket. I spent more than I'd hoped too but should last forever. Another search online should give me the correct snap ring for the seat pedestal, it should have been here today. UPS running a day late.
    Coy.. I think I finally understand how and where it all goes back together. Looks like it might be easier than I thought.
     
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    The snap rings arrived last week. After a lot of cleaning and some burr removal I tried to put the seat post back together. Things went right together when I assembled it upside down. Bought a new seat and after making some brackets it and the post are installed and working well.
    The new to me bucket arrived today. Tomorrow night I will start to switch them out.
     
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    Took a week of vacation to get some projects done using the Money Pit.. Had to dig a new drain line. The old MP did well in this crap we have called earth. Rock and clay..mostly rock. I blew a line on the bucket and had to replace it yesterday.
    Working on a slope and the inherent tail heaviness of a backhoe moving it around is very precarious. Right now I'm not sure I can get it out of it's location. I guess I'm some what of a afraidy cat. I may try to see if the hoe can lift and swing the rear around to a more up hill position.
    The swing valving seems to be faulty..it swings fine but tends to swing the direction of gravity when not being used. I have to look at that.
     
  18. Tenwheeler

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    I was like that with my old 680 when I got. Used it windrow trash on a select cut timber property.
    Remember having it in a spot where me myself and I thought this is all she can take. Then the uphill rear tire ran up on a stump. Thought I was going to test out the ROPS but she still did not roll.
    Some pointers: Go slow. Set the down hill outrigger about 6 inches off the ground. Keep the bucket close to the ground. If the hoe is back a few feet and close to the ground that lowers the center of gravity but lightens the front end. You can also swing it up hill and out a bit. That moves weight to the uphill side. I do not like to operate that way except for the outrigger a bit sometimes. Just some actions to work out of a bad spot. If you feel it is going to roll steer down hill. Go slow! If I misstated any of that I request others please correct me.
    When mine had a swing problem it was packing in a cylinder. Do not remember exactly but want to say have the hoe near center.
    Chained to a tree or just pushed down on the ground, if you can make it work. Low RPM and hold the swing pedal toward one side for a minute and then the other direction. Feel the swing cylinders temperature. Want to start with the machine cold and maybe do each side 3 times at the beginning. If a cylinder is leaking by it will be warmer because of the fluid passing through it. If you do not see it in about 10 or 15 minutes that is probably not the problem.
     
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  19. Cbait580b

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    It's in a heck of a spot... downhill to the lh side. About a 2ft drop in 8ft. Dug trench with the excavated dirt on the lh side behind me. In front and uphill about 8ft is a huge stump. I was in there last summer with my Ford tractor doing some cleaning and wound up clearing a trail down hill and removing a fence panel and idling it out. I tried to use the hoe to swing the rear uphill but the swing didn't have enough power. I guess I'll look at clearing a wider path downhill again. This time I'll have to cut more trees and take down 2 fences.
     
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    Sounds like you are in a heck of a place. Is it possible you could take the hoe. Swing it all the way to the LH close to the machine and push the rear of the machine up hill?
    Just a thought and good luck. Glad to hear your have MP going anyway.