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Long Reach worth it or not?

Discussion in 'Compact Excavators' started by Kenskip1, Feb 15, 2020 at 2:44 AM.

  1. Kenskip1

    Kenskip1 Active Member

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    Well, I guess the title about sums it up.My mini of choice will be a John Deere model 35, or one similar to this size horsepower ext. My question is simply,what does the extra length (insert joke here) do for performance during excavation. I am able to understand the reach portion however the extra reach comes with a price. Leverage! Would the extra reach assist when pushing over a tree? I would also think that this leverage could work against the operator. Losing lifting capacity. That tree you just pushed over, now you are unable to lift it.So what it all boils down to, is the extra reach much more beneficial than the standard reach?Thanks, Ken
     
  2. AzIron

    AzIron Senior Member

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    I personally dont think your giving up much to get more reach on a 7000lbs machine we always wish we had more power but for the most part you can operate around less lift or breakout but on my mini I am always wishing for more reach

    It's hard to operate around a lack of reach
     
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  3. uffex

    uffex Senior Member

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    Good day Ken
    You appear to sum it up very well a long arm will have a negative effect on lifting capacity - break out force - stability - the advantage is if course a small increase in reach - ground speed of the bucket. I suggest if you can manage without that extra leave it at the dealers, you may also take account of bucket couplers also increase reach and reduce bucket force. Reach can often be offset by moving the beast forwards or backwards.
    Kind regards
    Uffex
     
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  4. Don.S

    Don.S Well-Known Member

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    We had a short stick 27c and traded it in for a long stick 35d and would never go back. If you are always at the machine maximum you will be wishing you got a bigger machine. The only time i have ever wished i had a short stick is when digging under stuff since it makes the boom higher.
     
  5. KSSS

    KSSS Senior Member

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    Reach is always an issue with a mini ex, especially with one that small. I would likely go with the long stick and you get used to how it lifts and works. You will give up some ability on nearly every level of bucket and lift arm performance, but usually that can be worked around and dealt with. Pretty hard to add another foot of boom length.
     
  6. Billrog

    Billrog Senior Member

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    I have a 7,000 lb machine and would sure like a little more reach . I would not be concerned about loss of performance, mine has plenty of power for the size. The convenience out ways any negative in my opinion.
     
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  7. NepeanGC

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    Definitely long arm in this class machine. Not like it's gonna be bulking material all day where performance really matters. I did long arm and tilt-rotator on my 5 ton, which is technically the worst for breakout and digging force, but it works totally fine, since the machine is used for finesse and tight access work 99.99999% of the time.
     
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  8. John Canfield

    John Canfield Senior Member

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    Sometimes I wish I would have ordered the long arm on my E42 but I just move a little closer to the work. I don't need more digging depth though - just a tad more reach.
     
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    Clguest Well-Known Member

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    Long arm here w E35 Bobcat...it also has a little more counterweight. Add my vote for the long arm.
     
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  10. uffex

    uffex Senior Member

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    Good day Folks
    Really surprised that few inch's should be such an advantage:- Op Diamensions.jpeg Kind regards
    Uffex
     
  11. Don.S

    Don.S Well-Known Member

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    Its a foot of depth and a foot of reach thats a big difference. Its also the difference of loading trucks and not loading trucks.