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hosspuller

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Interesting side note - Bidding a Chik Fil A and reading through the owners directive absolutely no forks on the HVAC they have to use a crane and certify a crane was used.

Likely a fork tip in a coil ... and nobody said anything... Needed a crane to replace it. So, a crane in the first place.

Of course, it was a forklift that put the unit on the truck to get to the site.
 

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I wish most GC's would get a crane to erect the steel. Hell we'd pick up extra work building the road and pad then use the rock later.

Interesting side note - Bidding a Chik Fil A and reading through the owners directive absolutely no forks on the HVAC they have to use a crane and certify a crane was used.
Whataburger is like that. We had to set something back down, so the site guy could restart his tablet, if his pictures/video wasn't right of the lift, they were going to spank him and take away his birthday.
 

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They mostly had a lot of side to side play and wear. The uppers were totally shot a year ago, we replaced them, and I decided we needed to do the rest. It really needs a alignment, and I couldn't see that doing a lot of good with worn bushings.

We had trouble getting the upper one, but all the lower stuff was in stock at fleet pride. We've got the press moved out of the back room, and going to try to get the beam loaded up into it tomorrow and push bushings. Can't really get the forklift in the back room, so press in main shop with the forklift to hold the beam.
 

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They mostly had a lot of side to side play and wear. The uppers were totally shot a year ago, we replaced them, and I decided we needed to do the rest. It really needs a alignment, and I couldn't see that doing a lot of good with worn bushings.

We had trouble getting the upper one, but all the lower stuff was in stock at fleet pride. We've got the press moved out of the back room, and going to try to get the beam loaded up into it tomorrow and push bushings. Can't really get the forklift in the back room, so press in main shop with the forklift to hold the beam.
That looks pretty similar to this retrofit for rubber pad suspension.

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Our lowboy tractor has the pad suspension and I considered converting pretty strongly about 6 or so years ago. At that time the kit was around $8k if memory serves. I wasn't sure if it would be worth it then. How do you like the ride of yours?
 

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The raydan has the upper beam built a little different than the hendrickson. We've got two on raydan and two with hendrickson air over walking beam, and the raydan's are nothing but problems, and the hendricksons have been trouble free. The two with hendrickson, aren't as heavy (10k lighter gross) than the ones on raydan. My raydan's had been worked on before I bought them, and all the used ones I look at have been worked on also. I don't know why they don't hold up, but they don't.

The hendrickson air over walking beam we have is similar to your picture, but I think the bags are slightly more rear of center, and the center pivot of the lower arm looks different.

If I was replacing a pad suspension, I'd probably just buy a cutoff rear with neway or hendrickson 4 bag, and call it a day. You can get 46- 52's in 4 bag. Our new lowboy truck is 75,000 rears with 4 bag neway. If 4 bag just doesn't have enough articulation for your use, I'd do a chalmers.

Find a cutoff with the same rears you have, and its a great spare parts source, or get rears that are a heavier, or a gear ratio you want better than what you have now. Used cutoff's are usually $2,500-4,500.

I bet that rubber pad beats you to pieces empty. I used to run around all the time with just a walking beam under my old groves, but they were never empty. We put a air tag on the rear of one, and that tamed the bouncing a little.
 

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The raydan has the upper beam built a little different than the hendrickson. We've got two on raydan and two with hendrickson air over walking beam, and the raydan's are nothing but problems, and the hendricksons have been trouble free. The two with hendrickson, aren't as heavy (10k lighter gross) than the ones on raydan. My raydan's had been worked on before I bought them, and all the used ones I look at have been worked on also. I don't know why they don't hold up, but they don't.

The hendrickson air over walking beam we have is similar to your picture, but I think the bags are slightly more rear of center, and the center pivot of the lower arm looks different.

If I was replacing a pad suspension, I'd probably just buy a cutoff rear with neway or hendrickson 4 bag, and call it a day. You can get 46- 52's in 4 bag. Our new lowboy truck is 75,000 rears with 4 bag neway. If 4 bag just doesn't have enough articulation for your use, I'd do a chalmers.

Find a cutoff with the same rears you have, and its a great spare parts source, or get rears that are a heavier, or a gear ratio you want better than what you have now. Used cutoff's are usually $2,500-4,500.

I bet that rubber pad beats you to pieces empty. I used to run around all the time with just a walking beam under my old groves, but they were never empty. We put a air tag on the rear of one, and that tamed the bouncing a little.
We have chalmers on our dump truck. It really needs new beams and saddles welded on. On our lowboy tractor we have 2 speed 46K rears that I really like with 4.10 and 5.29. We don't use the low ratio that often but it sure is a clutch saver when pulling our 345 out of soft ground. If it weren't for that I'd do as you say and get a cut off with lockers. It is a bit rough empty, but rides decent loaded.
 

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2 speed eaton rears? If you like what you have, just find a cut off with the same axles you have now, and you would have a instant full set of spare parts. Axles, diffs, housings. You would have to get used to dumping and raising suspension for loading and unloading.

And I guess to answer your original question, if I was retrofitting a road tractor, it wouldn't be with a air over walking beam suspension. They are overly complicated, and don't ride anything like a 4 bag.

They are kind of nice in the crane, because if someone forgets to dump the bags when going up on outriggers, they don't have enough articulation to burst the bags. They do have a little better offroad traction than a 4 bag. None of my 4 have crosslocks.
 

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And speaking of concrete cracking, I'm not sure what sort of cheap filler quackery the concrete plants are using today, but I've been seeing a rash of really stress cracked fresh garage/ house floors. And its not the installers, because these guys have been pouring slabs for years.
Government changed the cement specs last year. Running change, didn't you get the notification? It won't hurt anything if we put 10% unfired limestone in the cement. New spec is type 1L, type 1-2 is no longer available. Gotta be green folks, even if you have to run 10% more cement in the batch.
 

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Running change, didn't you get the notification?
They skipped telling me.

Looks like the gauge off of a rail puller
I have no idea what it came off, but I can't help chuckling a little when I see that gauge. I'm kind of simple, its the little things that make me laugh.
 

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I dealt with a gelled fuel filter and a frozen starter on my personal machines last night. I gave up on Bobcat fuel filter. I was able to get a propane heater on the backhoe starter for 30 minutes which had the block heater plugged in for a couple hours already when I found the starter was froze. After getting the starter to roll, I still had to give it a whiff of ether to light off. I'm glad it did because I had 12-24" drifts all along my 550ft driveway that needed to be cleared last night because I couldn't get the vehicles up to the house.

I'm glad next week is supposed to be 40°F.
 

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So the reason I'm out finding a way to plug in the RT. A customer was scheduled for wed, thurs friday of this week, and we are getting snow and cold.

I called and "how about we start monday?" Well, they are behind on the project and the general is up their rear, "we need to make it look like we are trying, can you skip wednesday and try on thursday/ friday?"

2 below wednesday morning, Thursday's forcast is 10 below F in the morning, with a high of 13. Supposed to be 55 degrees on monday.

I think if they "want to make a show", they can just show up and shovel all the snow off the steel and clear the pad. Monday sounds a lot more likely to get some work done.
 
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