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Is offroad fuel thing of the past?

Discussion in 'General Industry Questions' started by posrepair2013, Feb 13, 2020.

  1. posrepair2013

    posrepair2013 Active Member

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    I want opinions on fuels I have a customer who got couple kubota skidsteers and he said dealer told him no more offroad fuel.
    My guess was cause offroad fuel has sulfur in it and with the after treatment system getting so hot it turns to acid and destroys components in after treatment system.
     
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    "Off Road" fuel has been dead for years. The Dyed stuff is the same ULSD that you get out of the pump at the Mini Mart. The Dye denotes that it's not taxed. That's it.
     
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    Yep. Hell they dye it from the same tank as the clear fuel. It’s dye and paperwork. That’s it.
     
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    If the dye is only thing that's making the difference then y would dealers say not to use it?
     
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    CM1995 Super Moderator

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    Not a very knowledgable dealer? It's the same fuel.
     
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    Agreed. It's always been the same fuel, just red dye to indicate no highway tax applied at purchase. But if the DOT man finds red fuel in that road truck, yeah, he'll really tax ya then.
     
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    Yes but on road diesel is low sulfur diesel.
    Depending on where u search it will say offroad diesel has more sulfur witch at those high temps would turn to acid I could be wrong but that was only reason I could see dealer saying this.
    Unless like u guys said they dont know what they r saying.o_O
     
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    Your dealer is sadly misinformed. :oops: (My bolding)

    From the EPA …

    From 2007 to 2014, low sulfur diesel fuel (specified at 500 ppm) and ULSD fuel was phased in for nonroad, locomotive, and marine (NRLM) diesel fuel.

    After 2014, EPA’s diesel standards require that:
    • All nonroad, locomotive, and marine (NRLM) diesel fuel must be ULSD; and
    • All NRLM engines and equipment must use this fuel (with some exceptions for older locomotive and marine engines).
    See here : https://www.epa.gov/diesel-fuel-standards/diesel-fuel-standards-and-rulemakings#nonroad-diesel
     
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    Awesome info thank you
     
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    There may be one exception... Any fuel that was in old storage tanks from prior to 2014 "May" be high sulfur. Local Craig's list has several old tanks offered with fuel in them. If there's no algae, dirt or water, it may be high sulfur… best to use it for bonfire starting.
     
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    You beat me to it hosspuller, ULSD is the EPA standard for "ALL" diesel fuel now days.
     
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    They don’t know what they are talking about. The dye is the only difference now.

    All of the equipment I service is run on off-road diesel and at this point 98% is Tier 4. The issues we see with fuel are pretty much contaminated fuel, and old fuel growing algae in it. Customers who supply fresh quality fuel don’t have these issues.
     
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    Just as a matter of interest, what is your price difference between on road and off road?
    Over here we purchase fuel at general on road price and are able to claim back a set rate per litre... around 30% for off road use.
    Trucks over 4.5 tonne gvm are able to claim around 11% for on use on public roads.
     
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    AFAIK the dye was the ONLY difference going right back in time to when JC played for Jerusalem United.

    The fuel all came out of the same bulk tank at the refinery/supplier and the dye was added to it at the point of dispatch to indicate that no tax had been paid on it, and therefore that it was intended ONLY for use in off-road equipment. But the basic fuel was always the same.
     
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    It should be about 36 or 37cents a gallon compared to heavy highway tax

    I never seem to match the volume with the fuel supplier where I see more than about 15 cents I think they just stick it to us cause they can
     
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    In South Africa bulk diesel purchase price per liter varies. But then farmers may claim I think 30% back and construction/mining something like 25%.
     
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    Offroad diesel should all be ULSD now. Tier 4f isn't going anywhere (sadly).
     
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    I've never had a problem with marked diesel, but have had issues with marked gasoline.

    Dye separated out of the gas and eventually filled the float bowl of my generator with useless red juice.

    My neighbor had been running marked (farm) gas in his late model low mile Toyota pickup, clogged up his catalytic converter in short order, Toyota dealer said the only low mile plugged cats they've seen where all running marked gasoline.

    Maybe the guys are getting a little generous with the dye?

    Around here marked diesel isn't much cheaper than clear if your not buying copious amounts.
     
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    I remember back in the 60's my grandpa has drums of farm gasoline to run in his two Ford 8N tractors. I don't know if it was dyed or not, but I haven't heard of farm gas in 50 years or so, surprised they still have it in Canada.
     
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    Used to be referred to as purple gas.
     
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