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is it to heavy

Discussion in 'Trailers' started by prezicion, Sep 24, 2015.

  1. prezicion

    prezicion New Member

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    hi guys i have a 2007 f350 dually diesel truck hauling a 22000 pound trailer. so the trailer empty is 6600lbs on it a case bobcat 8800 lbs and a case excavator 6900lbs on the truck sticker say gvwr say 13000 lbs IMG_20150419_152451.jpg added a picture of the setup thanks you
     
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    Too heavy?....for that truck maybe, I bet it pulls ok, but if you need to stop in a hurry because an animal or something else jumps out in front of you best of luck, keep those electric brakes in tip top shape at the very least....
     
  3. lantraxco

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    GVWR would be the truck and whatever you can put in the cab and bed.

    Is there a GCWR (Gross Combined, which means pulling a trailer) rating on the sticker or in the owner's manual, or a towing rating?

    That's just to be legal, you're fine on weight as long as the trailer brakes are in proper working order.

    I pulled a three axle gooseneck behind my 97 Dodge 350 all the time, 20,000 on the deck with no worries. Did need to put it in low range a couple times at stop signs on steep hills, all part of the fun.
     
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    yes pull ok stop is ok also only thing im worry is the green guys here in quebec lol
     
  5. prezicion

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    brake are okay machine and trailer is brand new. gcwr is 26000 so i guest im overweight truck is 8000 and 22000 trailer
     
  6. digger doug

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    Electric brakes et all....my beef with the 20k trialers behind a pick up "You also have to steer it".

    You may have a big honkin tuned cummins, you may duals, you might have brand new electric brakes,
    but you do have to lead that trailer around curves, and when the stuff hits the fan, needing other
    than just standing on the brakes, can your truck do the job ? (swerve to avoid)

    Back to the O.P.....I don't know, but here in Pa, we are getting rumors of ticketing for not
    enough sticker on truck windshield....truck weight class would have to be for the whole set-up
    (22k trailer + 8k truck) so probably 30k ? As a "combination".

    FWIW I have asked (2) notaries and they don't know, and the DOT had to go ask
    (put me on hold) and the answer wasn't too clear.

    And then there's the second part of your question (dealing with legal matters)
    Even with enough stickers for weight class, will the mounties stop you for
    more weight than on the door sticker (manufactures max ratings) ?
     
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    Seems it too heavy according to your description here.
     
  8. lantraxco

    lantraxco Senior Member

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    This was more or less ignored in most states for a long time as long as you were licensed for more than the gross combined weight and were not obviously unsafe. I am sure liability reared it's ugly head at some point and now even though you bought the plate and paid for the weight, if you're over the manufacturer's rating, you get a ticket. That's IF the officer checks it. On the other hand if you get into an accident, even though it's no fault of your own, if you're loaded over some lawyer will get fat sucking your pockets dry. Bastids.
     
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    I always understood it as you plated the vehicle for the gvwr if you never pulled a trailer (dump truck or service truck) and then plated it for the gcwr if it was pulling a trailer, semi's and such? I think a lot of it comes down to the leo's interpretation of it if you are stopped.
     
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    With the weights you listed your trailer plus load is 22,300. I bet your truck weighs close to 8,000 which puts your gross weight at 30k. I personally wouldn't want that much weight on a one ton but people do it all the time. I see one tons with tandem dual goosenecks hauling full size backhoes all the time and that would put their gross weight real close to yours.

    I have been stopped by the DOT many times and they always make sure I am under registered weight, not over any axle weights, and not over tire ratings. I have never once had them question the manufacturers gross weight rating. I am sure they can look it up somewhere but I have never seen it listed on a trucks vin plate. It just lists GVWR which is what the vehicle itself can weigh and not what you can tow.

    If you register it high enough, and are not over axle or tire weights I doubt the law man would give you any flak but as mentioned if you were ever in an accident the fact that you were over GCWR will bite you in the butt. Not to mention just from a safety standpoint that is a lot of weight to stop.
     
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    I wish my GCW wasn't listed. Legal weight isn't much higher with a trailer. Since its on my door tag I can't haul any weight in my truck while pulling my trailer and excavator.
     

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    I just bought a 1997 gmc 3500hd (with the 19.5 tires) and as it was originaly sold as a cab/chassis, the body manuf
    removed the door sticker and applied the yellow tag behind the seat (had another truck same scenario)
    The tag simply reads "15,000 lbs gvw"
     
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    Thats something to think about. I was under the impression if factory sticker wasn't present they went by minimum numbers for the particular size truck. Something like a chain without markings.
    Sorry for hijacking. Thats my last post, promise.
     
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    I live close to a alot of amish and meninites. For the most part they are ok but they push things to the limit. Their is one that rents land by my dads farm he has a 30foot trailer that he hauls a big track bobcat on pulling it with a newer dodge 1/2ton. What was he thinking when he bought that pickup? One amish has a 3/4ton van pulls a trailer with a case TV380 on it they dont drive or own cars so they have drivers. I work part time across from a amish lumber yard. All the amish and alot of X amish buy from them very scary. Theirs alot of stuff that guys get away with every day ok but what if ? If you ask some one how it pulls or how it stops they will say ok i dont ask because i have been on that white knuckle ride before.
     
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    Another thing to consider is to make sure your insurance covers you for the combined weight you are pulling. There have been a number of log truckers here in MN that paid a second fine after being caught overweight because they were not insured for the gross they were carrying when overweight.
     
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    My personal opinion is yes that is too much weight for a F350. It may pull fine and it may stop ok with everything working in tip top shape but it's just too much weight for that size truck.
     
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    if DOT catches you YOU will be ticked, first trailer is overloaded and the truck towing cap is way exceeded be very careful here in NY you would be out of service in the blink of an eye
     
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    I hate to say this, but if you have to ask, then you already know better. I agree that the stopping & handling characteristics are the major factors at play here. No police / leo / state police / dmv will ever care about the size or power of your engine. They will care to the utmost about the safety of other motorists on the road. Any such reckless people should not be allowed to continue with a dangerous load, if caught, either. It is high time to consider being safe versus gambling on a one time trip to get it done. Often times, the spirit of the driver is in the right place, but the consequences easily out weigh the benefit. A truck should be thought of as a tool, not an excuse to prove how tough it is. That nagging "what-if" can become a real world reality & if all else failed, I'd rather find out I was in the right & not overloaded. Be careful with your trucking, often times you are gambling with more than you know you are. What are you willing to lose, just to tow an unsafe load??
     
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    Yair . . .

    A little off topic but I have to ask . . . . .

    Since the US system is geared around high horse power "pickups" towing trailers why don't these vehicles have a compressor, tank and trailer controls at least as an option . . . the manufacturers no doubt would get on board with proper brakes on trailers.

    I believe trucks over here that run six to seven litre engines probably will have a combined mass rating around 45000 to 50000 pounds and some in that class may even run full air . . . this last statement is just a guess on my part and some local folks may set me straight . . . I'm too slack to do my own research. (big grin)

    The point I make is that air brakes are not rocket science and if I had a big honking five hundred horse power dually I think it would be reassuring to have a trailer braked with air.

    I am in no way trying to knock pickups or be controversial . . . it is just a question from an old bloke who hates electric brakes.

    I have towed what we call "caravans" all my life and, I have to say, I was more comfortable with my well maintained what we call "over run" brakes than I have ever been with current crop of electrics . . . I would shudder to pull the loads you folks pull as part of your every day work with electric brakes.

    Cheers.
     
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    From what I gather regarding the air brakes, the handle added to the column for separate operation of the trailer brakes is one thing but the requirement for the truck brakes to also activate the trailer brakes with only one action by the driver is the snag .... there are some brake system hydraulic to air valves for ag uses, but valve is not intended for highway use (no DOT rating). Electric brake signal to trailer can operate a trailer hydraulic brake system (electric over hydraulic).
    This is why using a pickup gets a lot of concerns - because the trailer brakes being electric just dont have the reputation for stopping power.
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    Underlying all this Door Nameplate Ratings is a question: Wonder what values are used by the pickup truck manufacturers to establish the CGVW ratings? Is it pure engineering data (physics) or the encouraging push by the marketing department for numbers of higher magnitude?