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If not CAT who then? Are JCB Excavators good?

Discussion in 'Excavators' started by Boiled Owl, Jan 3, 2012.

  1. Boiled Owl

    Boiled Owl Well-Known Member

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    From my thread looking for a thumb for my 320B. One option was to look for another machine with aux hyd and a thumb on it.
    CAT is the closest here (30 miles) for parts, etc.
    What other brands should I look at?

    I've ran across a couple of JCB JC220 hoes that are priced decent.


    Is there a reason why? Are there known problems? Is service and support an issue?

    I've read back 17 pages in this forum and haven't seen a JCB mentioned.
     
  2. ditchdiggerjcf

    ditchdiggerjcf Well-Known Member

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    JCB, Case, and Linkbelt are all the same machine. They are all manufactured by sumitomo with only minor variances between the three.
     
  3. KSSS

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    Was true for time but JCB has been building their own excavator for a while now.
     
  4. dayexco

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    In 1978, the Loadall machine was introduced. The next year, JCB started its operation in India. In 1991, the firm entered a joint venture with Sumitomo of Japan to produce excavators, which ended in 1998.[8] Two years later, a JCB factory was completed in Pooler near Savannah, Georgia in the USA, and the next year a factory was opened in Brazil.
     
  5. stumpjumper83

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    I've liked what I've seen by both the komatsu crowd & the hiatachi / deere stuff. An old employer likes daewoo / doosan stuff, me I dunno, it moved dirt all day long though.
     
  6. Boiled Owl

    Boiled Owl Well-Known Member

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    You hear a lot of complaint on the price of parts. Esp. Komatsu. lately.
    I don't have any blind brand loyalty, I'm willing to look at any. Main thing for me is ability to find parts and some knowledge nearby (less than an hour away)
     
  7. steed6557

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    I have 17 hoe's 16 CAT and 1 Komatsu. 6 years ago I also had two KOM PC450, in the 5 years that I had them except for PM services they cost me a total of $4977.14. (Final drive seal failed and chewed it up) I put over 10k hrs on them without any problems, my current KOM is a PC210, which I have spent nothing on except PM service and have had that for 7 years and 8k hours. I have 6 CAT 345 all with about 9-10K hours on them and the day cannot come soon enough when I can wish them bye bye. CAT are engineering their products to fail and using the end user as their R&D. I will eventually replace all of my CAT fleet with Komatsu.
     
  8. Boiled Owl

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    Steed: This is what I'm looking for, real world experience with different brands.
     
  9. DGODGR

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    I currently have (2) Cat machines. A backhoe (416C) with over 12,000 hours, and an excavator (315C) with just under 5,000 hours. Both have been great machines and I still will lean towards Cat when I decide to replace any of the (5) machines I currently own. My experience wit hKomatsu is a rental WA200 loader (did not like it very much-the hydrostat trans) and running an employers PC200 back in the early 90s (machine was bought at auction and had about 3,000 hours-still a good trackhoe). That being said, Komatsu would also be in serious consideration. The downside of the Komatsu is that there is not a real dealership in my town (nearest is 3 hours away, different state and dealership than my region[dealer for my region is acutually 4 hours away] while Cat, Deere, and Case are in town). I have recently talked with a competitor who bought a new PC200 about (2) years ago. They bought it to replace a Deere 270. They feel as though the smaller 200 out performs the 270 in every way, including lift capacity. That's pretty impressive. So far they have had zero problems. This company has (4) full sized excavators. Another company in my area has 8+ excavators and loaders as well. They own Komatsu and Cat in various sizes ranging from 20 to 30 metric ton (200/320 to 300/330). The loaders are 938 to 950/ WA 320 to 380 size. Obviously this is a company that has direct experience, head to head, with both brands. While they do like the Cats the thing that stuck with me is that they said they just don't have to get parts or service for the Komatsus. It seems to mirror Steed's comments and it certainly is a compelling argument for Komatsu. I still believe that service is very important. The fact that, in my town, Cat has a full blown dealership, and that Komatsu has a service truck, a yard, and a double-wide trailer, further pushes me towards sticking with Cat.
    For me, with my past experiences wit JCB backhoes, I would not be interested in owning a JCB excavator. Maybe if one was given to me but not if I had to pay for one. While JCB enjoys a lot of international success they continue to struggle to gain favor here in the US (IMO anyway). Lack of a good dealership network, past poor reliability issues, and the resultant poor resale value contribute to this. I'm not saying that you won't be happy with one. I suppose it's possible that a JCB could be the best machine you ever owned. My opinion on the brand will probably not change very soon. The only exposure I have, to the brand, anymore is at Con-Expo.
    Back to the title of your thread:
    If not Cat then who? I would have a hard time saying with 100% certainty (a lot of factors go into the decision) but Komatsu looks pretty good to me right now.
     
  10. ditchdiggerjcf

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    I am thinking kobelco, or link belt myself.
     
  11. motrack

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    My personal experience having worked for Cat, Deere and a few other brands is you cant go wrong buying a Kobelco. Make sure you have a strong local dealer for service support no matter what make you buy.
     
  12. Colorado Digger

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    link-belt

    everyone knows about me.

    i choose lb for a reason. nothing more to say

    :usa

    regards

    cd
     
  13. Boiled Owl

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    I almost bought a Kobelco when I was shopping for the CAT. But I got in a hurry the Kobelco wouldn't be available for a couple weeks. Kobelco has a dealer about 25 miles away. Haven't heard anything bad about them.
     
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    Go for Doosan, around here they don't stop working, also cheapest spares, and if you burst a pipe, they aren't hard to come by because they are British Standard hoses and couplings (hydraulic)... that sort of thing sells machines in Africa that's for sure.
     
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    I have had alot of Cats for many years.Bought used I had good luck with them.I now run Deere.I needed machine with nice cabs and air cond.Later Cats were alot higher than the Deeres.
    I now own 200clc and a 750c series II.Very good machines Run without alot of fuel per hr.Service all around.
     
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    Always considered Cat as over priced, loved JCB but the last lot are oil leaking buckets of bolts, Kommies now have a serious parts issue ,as do Hitachi, Doosan are gaining ground the whole time and anyone I know that worked one was very happy with them, Volvo a Very good machine. Case/ Sumitomo are very well respected here kobelco really good machine but with the tie up with New Holland have become very expensive.................
     
  17. ditchdiggerjcf

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    I had a daewoo/doosan 180 on rent for a couple months. It was quiet, smooth, efficient, but seemed a little puny compared to the hitachis I am used to. I think the terex machines are exactly the same as a doosan. I had no complaints.
     
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    hitachi, sumitomo, kobelco and daewoo doosan, never fail.

    had a fleet of cats long story short made a young man old fixing the over rated piles of scrap!

    case and sumitomo are still the same jcb are gone solo they would be down my list but not bottom, doosan kobelco and hitachi are the top 3 in that line for cost parts economy and lifespan,

    had a daewoo solar 290lcv with 24000 hours never spent a penny on it apart from 2 sprockets ,services, and greese!
     
  19. ditchdiggerjcf

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    Wow. What year model was the daewoo?
     
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    And thats why just about every mine from Pretoria to Rustenburg run Doosan machines to dig and load anything from coal to platinum ore... They show the Cats how to do it lol