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Discussion in 'Shop Talk' started by twr, Jun 23, 2019.

  1. Ct Farmer

    Ct Farmer Well-Known Member

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    Without the internet to find parts nothing I have would run. Between supposedly obsolete parts to prices that look like telephone numbers, the dealers this past year have been killing me.

    Consider this from Volvo - rubber seal on the bucket pin, 1 left in Sweeden otherwise obsolete. OK I'll take it at $20. 4 weeks later it is here. Pick it up. Item has a manufacturer part # that crosses to current SKF #. Had 3 shipped to me cross country for $19 total. Got them in 3 days.
     
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  2. twr

    twr Well-Known Member

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    There bad up here also pretty much all brands have a depo in central Texas but Volvo is in Mississippi.
     
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  3. redneckracin

    redneckracin Senior Member

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    I can't figure out why you have to order JD AG parts from an AG dealer and JD construction parts from a construction dealer. If I know the part number I want I should be able to order it where I want. I wonder if there is enough demand for a well equipped shop to manufacture parts that the dealers aren't willing to deliver in a timely fashion.
     
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  4. colson04

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    There's a JD Ag dealer 5 miles from my grandpa's farm. He has a Deere dozer, loader and excavator. Anytime he needs a part for one of them, he has to drive 45 minutes each way to the Deere construction dealer. They won't even drop ship them to the closer dealer to save costs. Aside from that, the construction dealer never has any parts in stock for anything.
     
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  5. JD955SC

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    I’ve ordered JD Ag parts online to be picked up at my local JD Construction dealer since they are right across the highway from my work. No problem with that. A bit cheaper too than having it shipped to the Ag dealer
     
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  6. mog5858

    mog5858 Well-Known Member

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    we build custom parts all the time for customers as they can't waited for parts to come in or they have waited 6 weeks for parts to have them show up wrong. become friends with your local machinist /welder. a good shop can help you out.
    we try to make everything stander to use off the shelf parts rather than specialty ones. JD and there special chrome size so one can not just change the rod or packing so they can over charge for there parts. i get a big smile very time we re-cut one to use nominal size chrome that's stock all over the country as well as seals.
     
  7. mikebramel

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    Whats wrong with 63mm... LOL
     
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  8. twr

    twr Well-Known Member

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    We have a machine shop in my shop I have 5 engine lathes and two turret lathes sure is handy. Also do portable line boring and a 11" x 5' radial arm drill set up for boring also, so that helps a lot on non existent or back ordered parts.
     
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  9. check

    check Senior Member

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    Smart man, you understand motives. Who benefits? If old machines are running, do bankers collect as much interest?
     
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  10. mog5858

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    twr we have two radial drills in our shop and we would be lost without them. line boring equipment is good but a bore welder that's where time and money are saved and really make you shine when doing line boring jobs.
     
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  11. twr

    twr Well-Known Member

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    Yes Sir we have that to, did it for a while with out it don't want to be with out it.
     
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  12. twr

    twr Well-Known Member

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    On the Deere parts page a lot of time we will do a parts search to see where the part is used and it will come up on ag equip. and can get it that way through ag dealer. It may be a loader part but its on a chopper as well that there ain't one with in 1500 miles of you. sometimes you get some funny looks at the counter.
     
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  13. DMiller

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    Was having air leak issue with a Eaton Fuller square head 13 spd knob, stopped at the Pete dealer while doing other running around, kid behind the counter looked at me and HONESTLY stated, "I need a S/N to look it up" I happened to have it so he looked up the 1997 379 and TADA was marked OBSOLETE in his Computer(I KNEW That) stated no longer available and WALKED AWAY!! Stopped at the Freightliner shop expecting similar but had to try, old Gal behind the counter asked "Red or Blue" looked back told her Red, had the New Style knob and was gone in ten minutes. I do believe a Great Deal of the issues starts with the age of the ordering parts tech and the other end age of the supplier tech.
     
  14. twr

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    I had a TD-20 needed pivot pads relined took them to three different shops up here the old men were gone young kid with wire coming out his head didn't know $hit. A place in Florida said if I would ship them there they would see if they could price them. The short of a long story we adjusted all the slack got it to where it turn again[real good I must say] there selling today at farm auction. It's a shame and I'm sure some could do it cause them are good old tractors.
     
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  15. mog5858

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    the best one I have heard in a long time was from CAT someone had brand new big hoe like a 385 ish called in cus they need a valve bank issues CAT said we have no part in the system as that a brand new hoe and will not need parts for a least a year as we still building them and could not allocate any parts as they where trying to build more machines. so it sat for 8 months I think. that being said there a reason why I collect Cat equipment as I can still get parts back in the 1930's for my cats. lean manufacturing and just in time B.S is killing the parts world.
     
  16. twr

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    We had a Cat 308D I believe 2009 needed a off set cylinder rod the costumer was in a bind called Cat but at the time NLA, we made one but went to get kit it was same way had order by the piece. Not long after that had a 320D rod they stuck in a power line and would not give core credit eye was good.
     
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  17. Old Doug

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    There is 2 Car Quest dealers a hour from me that are localy owned they are good about geting me stuff i wish they would deliver every day like Orielys but i also under stand it takes the profit out unless i order alot of stuff.
     
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  18. Randy88

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    Parts, now that's a very sore subject right at the moment, as for brand, they all suck, as for American made, that's a complete joke, as for being obsolete and old, not sure what's worse, too old or too new, either way your screwed, the wait time is about the same.

    Was told by my hose supplier couldn't even get the hose end, its no longer made......by anyone, a metric 90, so we'll go with an adapter, they still make those, convert it to JIC ends, no problem, ordered it and I'd have it in three days, well two weeks later it still wasn't here, so some phone calls later, shipping screwed up, nothing new, so a week later still it showed up..........wrong part, so another phone call later and I was told, after having to ask three times, it will be 16 weeks before I'd see it and oh yea we made a mistake, the price is four times what we quoted and has to paid up front??

    Don't like that option with that company, try broke down machine number two, was told its too new they don't have parts yet available even under warranty??? WTF kind of excuse is that, they have parts at the assembly plant putting them together new as we speak, the parts are going on machines 24/7 and your telling me none are available to me, the assembly plant is two hours away, send Bubba down and get my part off the cart along the assembly line and be back before noon, I really don't care if he stops for dinner or not, its not that far from here and I know they have parts there, option two is go out front to the new machine you have sitting there and take it off that one, I'll wait for you to do that and I'll take it home myself and put it on, if those options are not available, I'll take a key and drive your new off the lot and when when you get those parts, come put it on and get YOUR machine back, I'm using your till then for free though, too new to stock parts, what a crock.

    I've figured out one thing though, my shop isn't nearly large enough for machines to sit torn apart waiting on parts to show up, it should have been five times larger just for machine storage while they are torn apart and waiting. Its a good thing we use cameras to take pictures as we take things apart, they are torn down so long waiting on parts, I've forgotten how they go back together again.

    As for brands, I've found its better to have many different ones, must have over a dozen major brands in my fleet, coupled with that fact along with multiple dealers of each brand, you have a much better chance of actually finding a part for something, so you can actually put something back together, when dealing with only one or two brands and limited dealers in each your pretty much screwed on ever getting anything for parts from what I can tell.

    OEM, not sure that even exists anymore or there is such a thing, as for the internet, 500 places show it, but nobody has it in stock and oh yea by the way, nobody can get it either before your newborn turns 18 and graduates high school.

    16 fricken weeks to get one hydraulic adapter, and there's still no guarantee it'll be the right one, you know after they outsource it three times, the numbers switch 25 times and between Bubba and Leroy who are dislexic getting things backwards, oh yea I have faith it'll be right when it does show up this time, option number two was to go with supplier number two, he said and I quote, you won't see it in 2019, that's for sure and its only July??
     
  19. DMiller

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    Local company bought replacement tracked loaders for ageing equipment, bought Deere, first one six service calls under warranty up to 34 yes JUST 34 operating hours then a track Idler failed. Sent it BACK, got another been' Looked at closer' and BTW, the first machine NEITHER front idler bearings had ANY lube in them. Quality control SUCKS, lighter weight cheaper components SUCKS. I hear this from Newer truck, HE, medium and light truck as well auto owners. Just nothing seems worth a crap these days Foreign OR Domestic.
     
  20. Randy88

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    When these companies put out bids on components, they always go with the cheapest supplier, maybe there's a reason why someone bid components so cheap in the first place, no lube in the front idlers?? do you suppose Deere forgot to put in their bid specs that idlers required oil in them??

    A friend of mine bought a new firewood processor, high priced and with only a few hours on it, the hydraulic system failed big time, upon inspection, nobody cleaned out the oil tank when it was built and was so full of metal shavings it plugged up the filter and then bypassed that and sucked all the filings into the pump and when that ate all it could, that blew parts to every component on the machine, nothing was left working or fixable, long story short, warranty wouldn't cover it, they claimed the owner did it not a screw up at the factory, and then the fight started over who was to blame.

    A neighbor bought a new tractor a few years back, the PTO wouldn't shut off, so after every attempt to fix by the dealer, the company sent out a tech, who also gave up, so the company issued a new tractor to the owner, took the new tractor that's pto didn't shut off to auction, voided the warranty and sold it as is, problem solved I guess. Same company did the same thing for a new field chopper, the metal alert didn't work and they gave up trying to fix it, issued another unit to the owner and sold the unfixed one on auction and voided the warranty, brand new never used even an hour, no warranty what so ever on it to anyone who'd buy it.

    Exact same company sold a new large front wheel assist tractor to a local guy, once the tractor heated up a certain engine temp, it would shut off where it was, would not restart under any circumstance until exactly 24 hours from the time of shut down, then miraculously would start up, to repeat this same thing each time, long story short, the company couldn't figure out why, so they jerked the owner around till his warranty was up and then refused to do anything with the tractor, then put a blocker on his serial number so nobody could get any information on the tractor if they ever contacted the company again about it, no matter who owned it, so after that once the serial number was given on a question about the tractor, the phone line would go dead, the company would just hang up on whoever asked about it.

    A neighbor bought a brand new tractor, to the tune of 300k, while driving it at any speed, it would automatically shift into park for no reason, so while pulling two 740 bushel gravity boxes down the road in road gear, it would randomly shift into park and lock up all the wheels, the company had no clue why it did it, needless to say, the owner wasn't happy.

    Same owner second tractor, same year, hooked it up to his also new round baler and the baler wouldn't tie, so the dealer went to work fixing it, they replaced everything they could think of only in the end did they find the culprit, a battery in the tractor had a weak cell in it, batteries are not covered, so they sent a bill to the owner for over 25k in parts and labor, no electrical part can be returned and none were under warranty and no part they put on was broken or needed replaced at all.

    Another neighbor bought a new combine, while combing corn the head would stop running and he couldn't raise or lower the head, a dozen trips from the dealer later and after replacing about everything electrical on it, they figured out what was wrong, a loose ground wire, so the farmer was billed nearly 20k for electrical parts he didn't need and were not covered and it delayed his harvest by a month.

    Do you want to discuss continuity sensitive wires on machine's?? and what a joke they are and what happens when you cut one and are required to replace the entire wiring harness and what that costs??

    How about sensors they bury inside the transmissions and you have to dismantle the machine to get at them and the fact they are not warranted even new, and how much it costs to replace the same sensor three days in a row on the same machine due to bad sensors, yea we need more of those to tell us when our pocket books are too full of cash and in need of depletion is about all they do.

    We could start in on new pickups, several customers have them and one brand had an issue with dash fires, to the tune of three new pickups in one year for him, the first one went up hooked to his livestock trailer he was pulling, he got his kids out before it engulfed the cab and also the trailer, second one went up sitting in the yard and the third one burned his garage down along with his new pickup, yet the company claims it was his fault, took him two years to deal with insurance and the fire marshal to make the determination he had nothing to do with it, it was a wiring issue with the truck.

    How about combines that burst into flames due to faulty wiring harness's, one farmer lost an entire machine shed full of machinery when it lit up, fire marshal hadn't been there to determine the cause, so he bought the second one, which lit up in his yard overnight since his shed was still smoking from the first fire and had no place to park it, the third combine in the same week as the first two, the dealer dropped off and was never used, and caught fire sitting in his yard as he ate dinner, so the third one he never even sat in, none even had 20 hours on them, there might be a reason why the farmer was somewhat upset that week.

    I could keep going for weeks on all the examples of poor quality equipment I know about locally and have seen and been around, every week I hear or talk to someone who's upset over something they own that either won't run or can't be fixed or takes many attempts to try to fix and usually in the end, they give up and trade machines to try to solve the issue.

    Quality control, doesn't exist by any company in any industry today.

    Parts..................boy that's a hot topic with most in my area, what don't exist anywhere on any dealers shelves, most companies don't even stock, the dealer can't get from the company that doesn't exist in the first place, its a mail order society today, once you place the order at the dealer, the dealer orders it from the company, then and only then does the company buy from the cheapest dollar supplier they get components from and you wait.