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Holland fifth wheel pin and cushion kit

Discussion in 'Trucks' started by nowing75, Jan 21, 2022.

  1. nowing75

    nowing75 Senior Member

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    Hello all

    We are having a hard time finding a pin and cushion kit for a Holland fifth wheel. There part number is BK 171-12309. We are replacing the top plate and it has the larger pins but nobody has the kit for it. Thanks for any info

    Jason
     
  2. Shimmy1

    Shimmy1 Senior Member

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    Throw that Holland in the scrap pile before you drop a trailer and put a Fontaine on. Thank me later.
     
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    1693TA Senior Member

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    I've had, and have several of each. Both brands are safe and reliable in my experience only requiring routine maintenance and adjustments.

    Could you explain your bias?
     
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    Shimmy1 Senior Member

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    30 years of listening, several bad experiences with Holland, and never a single issue with a Fontaine or copycat Jost. I do not care at all for the jaw design on a Holland, especially on trucks that live on dirty gravel roads, not to mention if you don't notice the jaw bolt getting tight, the jaws won't close completely until you back the nut off a bit. I could go on, but that's enough for now.
     
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    Shimmy1 Senior Member

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    Obviously, textbook operation *should* prevent a dropped trailer, but textbook operation EVERY cycle only occurs in Fantasyland.
     
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    1693TA Senior Member

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    Thank you. I've certainly worked on a lot of trucks and tractors over the years and have rebuilt several of each brand. If kept up on maintenance routines they seem to be pretty trouble free. I've never personally known anyone to drop a trailer myself that could be attributed to equipment failure but a couple from operators being complacent in connections and functional checkout.
     
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    We've all done it. Quick tug after the snap, jam on the lines, grab the Johnson bar a time or two, and hammer down. Obviously it's possible on a Fontaine, but a whole lot less likely with that locking bar across the back.
     
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  8. JPV

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    We have several Hollands, never had any problems or have heard any bad things about them until now. We do the normal maintenance and adjustments as needed which is not that often, these spend a lot of time on gravel roads in the woods. But none of this has anything to with with the OP's question which I have no answer to, hopefully someone does.
     
  9. stinky64

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    I've worked on hundreds of Holland Simplex swinging jaw/lock and double jaw fifth wheels and have never seen a kingpin twist out of either one, once the jaws lock and safety locks are engaged those things are bullet proof..The biggest problem is yard guys and drivers hitting the pin, giving a little tug and driving away without getting out of the truck to visually check..We've all done this at least once, if you're lucky the trailer falls on the frame rails and you have to crank the hell out of the dolly legs to save your ass, but if you're making a turn and the load keeps going straight that's never good..For most of us that only happens once...Nowing 75 check the Fleetpride dealer for parts I think there's a couple in Indiana, if you can't source actual Holland parts OTR makes kits as well
     
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    Holland is backed up on replacement parts and complete fifth wheels.

    On a Holland once the fork is back the doors are closed off for jaws to open.
    Every malfunction I have ever seen on jaws not locking happened because
    the driver high pinned it on hook up and bends one side of the fork. The SAE
    test for fifth wheels and king pins is rigorous.
     
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    ok thanks. guess ill just have to sit and wait. was hoping someone had one on there shelf.
     
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    heymccall Senior Member

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    Couldn't you buy the cushions separately?
    Screenshot_20220125-124220_Drive.jpg
     

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    Check the Fleetpride website for Holland parts ,many in stock maybe at a store near you or they will ship,you may not need to wait...
     
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    Problem is most online sources list in stock even when stock is depleted. 60% don't
    show {out of stock}.
     
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    I like Hollands. Changing to a Fontaine requires replacing all the mounting as well. Jost makes plates that fit on the Holland mounting. If you cannot get Holland parts look into that.
     
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    I’ve got over 50 years around Holland 5th wheels. Only problem I’ve had is gettin it’s grease out of my shirt sleeves…….
     
  17. nowing75

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    thanks all for the info. finally got them from the kenworth dealer yesterday.
     
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