Hallback
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Those are airport or sea port trucks around here.
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Good places to find heavy spec trucks?
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Truck Shop
Senior Member
That 800 is typical civilian military spec's notice the paint ex navy yard truck. That's also why it has no balls under the hood, nice flat ground. Bought a 84 W900 for a AG company
I worked for same kind of spec's and hours with no mileage.
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I worked for same kind of spec's and hours with no mileage.
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crane operator
Senior Member
Most of the heavy spec stuff I see comes from oilfield, or actually your area for logging. With the axle restrictions so many states have, there's just not a lot of need for most guys to have 52,000 rears, so very few get bought.
When you say late model- how new are you actually looking for?
The 2008 slowdown combined with the emissions regulations really slowed down a lot of buyers/ orders for trucks.
Maybe something out of Calif, that's finally getting shoved out for emissions, but I think most of that has already left the state.
Texas, Oklahoma, Alberta.
When you say late model- how new are you actually looking for?
The 2008 slowdown combined with the emissions regulations really slowed down a lot of buyers/ orders for trucks.
Maybe something out of Calif, that's finally getting shoved out for emissions, but I think most of that has already left the state.
Texas, Oklahoma, Alberta.
Hallback
Senior Member
Honestly, I would be ok with anything from 90's to mid 2000's
Hallback
Senior Member
You know TS, you never disappoint. I sure appreciate your wealth of information. Thank you to the rest of you guys that have shared lots of insight also.
RZucker
Senior Member
Beast of a truck, If you don't need to be the fastest on the road. I do remember the L-10s did have a surprising amount of torque for their size. Or just drop an 8V92 and bigger trans into it.I would give Adelman's a shout …. If they don't have it in stock they will know where one is ?
http://www.adelmans.com/
I like the low millage KW T 800 . That rig could walk a lowboy around country roads & not ask any questions .
http://www.adelmans.com/kenworth-prime-mover-tractor3
Junkyard
Senior Member
Beast of a truck, If you don't need to be the fastest on the road. I do remember the L-10s did have a surprising amount of torque for their size. Or just drop an 8V92 and bigger trans into it.
Same place has some 8v92’s with jakes (not that they do anything but make noise) worth the $$. 10+4 behind that 92....heck yeah.
Imagine the rear end ratio is geared the checkered flag at the " slow race " .
What I liked about it was the heavy axils & short wheelbase for on & off road play .
At this price A feller could speck & build the truck out how he wants it .
1983 KW http://www.adelmans.com/kenworth-cab-chassis-truck
What type of suspension & rear ratio do ya want ? http://www.adelmans.com/cutoffs
V - 12 Cummins ? http://www.adelmans.com/cummins-vta28-725hp-industrial-engine-37108230
Those cat's at Adelman's keep a huge inventory .
For my little operation I've found 400 horsepower & 4.11 rears work pretty good all around for muscle cars and over the road trucks .
What I liked about it was the heavy axils & short wheelbase for on & off road play .
At this price A feller could speck & build the truck out how he wants it .
1983 KW http://www.adelmans.com/kenworth-cab-chassis-truck
What type of suspension & rear ratio do ya want ? http://www.adelmans.com/cutoffs
V - 12 Cummins ?
http://www.adelmans.com/cummins-vta28-725hp-industrial-engine-37108230Those cat's at Adelman's keep a huge inventory .
For my little operation I've found 400 horsepower & 4.11 rears work pretty good all around for muscle cars and over the road trucks .
crane operator
Senior Member
I spent a little while cruising truck paper and craigslist, with your specs in mind. Its going to be kind of hard to find everything you want, so I think you're going to have to decide what your willing to add onto the truck, and what your not willing to do.
I found very few that had a aux. More that had two speed rears. Adding the aux wouldn't be that hard if that's a must have.
Found some heavy axle (46's) that weren't double frame. I wouldn't want to add double frame, that's a lot of work, you can do anything with enough time, but that's one I probably wouldn't want to do.
Found some with heavy rears, but just 14k fronts. Putting new heavy front axle in isn't impossible either, but one I'd rather not do.
Found some that were sleeper, some daycab, some of the sleeper stuff had the wheel base to add a pusher if you get rid of the sleeper, I wouldn't mind pulling off a sleeper and adding one of those fiberglass backs with window. Do you want daycab? I wouldn't want sleeper myself.
Adding a pusher axle is easy, drill a few holes, couple airlines and controls, and your in business. If you have the frame length to work with. Its not too bad if you just have to move a fuel tank or air tank. I wouldn't hesitate at all if it was just missing the lift axle.
Probably the other question is how much you want to spend, and how far are you willing to ship/ go get one? Texas is a long way from where you are, but they move trucks all over the country.
https://www.truckpaper.com/listings/trucks/for-sale/28164395/2001-kenworth-w900l?ST=Texas
https://www.truckpaper.com/listings/trucks/for-sale/27672529/2006-peterbilt-379
https://www.truckpaper.com/listings/trucks/for-sale/6222179/2006-peterbilt-379
https://www.truckpaper.com/listings/trucks/for-sale/27827123/2004-kenworth-t800
I found very few that had a aux. More that had two speed rears. Adding the aux wouldn't be that hard if that's a must have.
Found some heavy axle (46's) that weren't double frame. I wouldn't want to add double frame, that's a lot of work, you can do anything with enough time, but that's one I probably wouldn't want to do.
Found some with heavy rears, but just 14k fronts. Putting new heavy front axle in isn't impossible either, but one I'd rather not do.
Found some that were sleeper, some daycab, some of the sleeper stuff had the wheel base to add a pusher if you get rid of the sleeper, I wouldn't mind pulling off a sleeper and adding one of those fiberglass backs with window. Do you want daycab? I wouldn't want sleeper myself.
Adding a pusher axle is easy, drill a few holes, couple airlines and controls, and your in business. If you have the frame length to work with. Its not too bad if you just have to move a fuel tank or air tank. I wouldn't hesitate at all if it was just missing the lift axle.
Probably the other question is how much you want to spend, and how far are you willing to ship/ go get one? Texas is a long way from where you are, but they move trucks all over the country.
https://www.truckpaper.com/listings/trucks/for-sale/28164395/2001-kenworth-w900l?ST=Texas
https://www.truckpaper.com/listings/trucks/for-sale/27672529/2006-peterbilt-379
https://www.truckpaper.com/listings/trucks/for-sale/6222179/2006-peterbilt-379
https://www.truckpaper.com/listings/trucks/for-sale/27827123/2004-kenworth-t800
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crane operator
Senior Member
Some more:
https://www.truckpaper.com/listings/trucks/for-sale/28096699/1998-kenworth-t800w
https://www.truckpaper.com/listings/trucks/for-sale/24557445/2004-peterbilt-378
https://www.truckpaper.com/listings/trucks/for-sale/24781933/2007-peterbilt-357
https://www.truckpaper.com/listings/trucks/for-sale/24240891/1988-kenworth-t800
https://www.truckpaper.com/listings/trucks/for-sale/28096699/1998-kenworth-t800w
https://www.truckpaper.com/listings/trucks/for-sale/24557445/2004-peterbilt-378
https://www.truckpaper.com/listings/trucks/for-sale/24781933/2007-peterbilt-357
https://www.truckpaper.com/listings/trucks/for-sale/24240891/1988-kenworth-t800
crane operator
Senior Member
Now a little outside the box thinking,
https://www.truckpaper.com/listings/trucks/for-sale/25540831/2006-peterbilt-357
Pull the winch and add a axle
https://www.truckpaper.com/listings/trucks/for-sale/27319135/2008-kenworth-t800
Add a 5th wheel and add a pusher? It doesn't have much for miles.
https://www.truckpaper.com/listings/trucks/for-sale/24792411/2002-mack-cl713
Its a mack, but it has your aux, probably too much wheelbase (shorten it all?), pull the winch
https://www.truckpaper.com/listings/trucks/for-sale/26565881/1998-western-star-4964fx
Here's really outside the box, pull the crane, sell the crane, add the pusher?
https://www.truckpaper.com/listings/trucks/for-sale/25540831/2006-peterbilt-357
Pull the winch and add a axle
https://www.truckpaper.com/listings/trucks/for-sale/27319135/2008-kenworth-t800
Add a 5th wheel and add a pusher? It doesn't have much for miles.
https://www.truckpaper.com/listings/trucks/for-sale/24792411/2002-mack-cl713
Its a mack, but it has your aux, probably too much wheelbase (shorten it all?), pull the winch
https://www.truckpaper.com/listings/trucks/for-sale/26565881/1998-western-star-4964fx
Here's really outside the box, pull the crane, sell the crane, add the pusher?
Hallback
Senior Member
Here is a good one, it is about 40 in too long of wheelbase but it could be shortened.
https://www.rbauction.com/2006-PETE...ile-app&utm_campaign=mobile-app-link-flagship
https://www.rbauction.com/2006-PETE...ile-app&utm_campaign=mobile-app-link-flagship
Those are Nice looking trucks crane operator .
No idea why they would not work for the given task at hand ?
I started out with a 1973 White 4000 & 290 small cam cummins engine, 10 speed & 3.70 ratio 34K rears .
Had to replace a few clutches but the truck never let us down .
No idea why they would not work for the given task at hand ?
I started out with a 1973 White 4000 & 290 small cam cummins engine, 10 speed & 3.70 ratio 34K rears .
Had to replace a few clutches but the truck never let us down .
Junkyard
Senior Member
Having moved a lot of $hit a lot of really f**ked up places I’ll say this....frame can’t be too heavy and rears can’t be too big or too low. Just think about it...low on power? That’s ok it’ll just take a bit longer to get there.....
Rears too tall? Pop there goes a driveline or through shaft. Rears too light? Damn that housing is leaking oil or now has negative camber..... What happened to your truck man? It’s swaybacked like an old mare! Or worse yet it sits on a logging road in two pieces.
My point is.....(drumroll please) I’ve cussed a little here and there when I was short on power. But I’ve never ever ever ever said man this frame is too heavy or these rears are overkil. You could blindfold me in the passenger seat and I could tell you by feel how heavy (or not) a truck is built.
For your needs it’s a simple thing to me. 20k front, double frame, 52k rears (they live longer), full lockers (I HATE 2 speed rears), 4.56 ratio with an 18. Hit the hard to change specs in the initial purchase and build it into what you want.
BTW it only took me half my life and over a million miles to learn what works in a jam and what don’t lol. I saw lots of smaller trucks get trashed early in my career. It made an impression.
Rears too tall? Pop there goes a driveline or through shaft. Rears too light? Damn that housing is leaking oil or now has negative camber..... What happened to your truck man? It’s swaybacked like an old mare! Or worse yet it sits on a logging road in two pieces.
My point is.....(drumroll please) I’ve cussed a little here and there when I was short on power. But I’ve never ever ever ever said man this frame is too heavy or these rears are overkil. You could blindfold me in the passenger seat and I could tell you by feel how heavy (or not) a truck is built.
For your needs it’s a simple thing to me. 20k front, double frame, 52k rears (they live longer), full lockers (I HATE 2 speed rears), 4.56 ratio with an 18. Hit the hard to change specs in the initial purchase and build it into what you want.
BTW it only took me half my life and over a million miles to learn what works in a jam and what don’t lol. I saw lots of smaller trucks get trashed early in my career. It made an impression.
Birken Vogt
Charter Member
That RB truck looks like exactly the thing if you can manage the ACERT. But that is a pre-DPF engine, pretty good I think.
I bet it sells for a pretty penny though, everybody is going to want it, unless something is majorly broken.
Funny the discrepancy between miles and hours. Works out to 60 miles per hour average.
I bet it sells for a pretty penny though, everybody is going to want it, unless something is majorly broken.
Funny the discrepancy between miles and hours. Works out to 60 miles per hour average.
Truck Shop
Senior Member
Hallback what is the weight and brand of yarder you want to move? And what is the average % of grade you will climb? How much does the lowboy weigh?
How wide is the load and total length? Is most of the off road Forest Service or other?
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How wide is the load and total length? Is most of the off road Forest Service or other?
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Hallback
Senior Member
TS,
Most pieces of equipment we have our between 105000 and 118000 pounds. Basically it requires a 3-3-2 setup with a 4 axle tractor. Our big yarder is 148000 pounds as it sits so it takes a little finesse to get it moved. It is self propelled so we have to pop the Steer tires and slip the axle shafts out of it when we move it but when we get to the woods we can just pop the tires on and axles in and road it to where we want for the most part.
Most pieces of equipment we have our between 105000 and 118000 pounds. Basically it requires a 3-3-2 setup with a 4 axle tractor. Our big yarder is 148000 pounds as it sits so it takes a little finesse to get it moved. It is self propelled so we have to pop the Steer tires and slip the axle shafts out of it when we move it but when we get to the woods we can just pop the tires on and axles in and road it to where we want for the most part.
Truck Shop
Senior Member
That's about what I thought, early 90's I moved two yarders around for two different outfits.One Madill and one Skagit. I moved those fairly easy with a 400 Cat and a 9X4 with 4.44 ratio rears.
The steer was 18,000 lb, rears 46,000 on eaton 402's. 3/8 os 5/16 insi frame rails, 12,000 lb drop axle-86 W900. Cozad lowboy. So your heavy side net 75 ton. Total around 189,000
give or take some. Look your options over real good.
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The steer was 18,000 lb, rears 46,000 on eaton 402's. 3/8 os 5/16 insi frame rails, 12,000 lb drop axle-86 W900. Cozad lowboy. So your heavy side net 75 ton. Total around 189,000
give or take some. Look your options over real good.
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crane operator
Senior Member
Its really fun to shop for other people's trucks, with other people's money. $97,000- sure that doesn't sound too bad...
These two are close to me. The first one (yellow KW) wouldn't be long enough wheel base to add your lift axle. And I don't think its double frame. But boy it would turn short with the set back axle and that wheelbase.
https://kansascity.craigslist.org/hvd/d/2000-kenworth-800-nov-99/6691801652.html
The next one is also set back axle- I don't know what that does for you with bridge length. It's 22,000 up front, but only 44,000 rears. It doesn't say 2 speed rears in the ad, but that sure looks like a two speed rear switch on the dash.
https://kansascity.craigslist.org/hvd/d/1999-peterbilt-378-heavy-haul/6688864511.html
148,000 is a load.
And just so I'm clear, its 4 axle tractor, 3 axle jeep, trailer- with three axles, then a 2 axle stinger on the rear?
I only know one guy running two speed rears by me, he's a cross country boat hauler and likes the two speed for the high ratio home empty. The low side for crawling around boat ramps and such with the big houseboats. He's had to spend big $$ fixing them.
I'm only grossing around 105,000 with my lowboy. 3 axle truck and 3 axle trailer. But I really wish mine was double frame. I notice it when climbing up and down out of my shop hill that the front end really torque's up when headed out, and it even walks back the other way when headed back down with the jakes on. I'm only 14,000 front and 40,000 rears, 4.11's. I wouldn't want any more on my truck.
These two are close to me. The first one (yellow KW) wouldn't be long enough wheel base to add your lift axle. And I don't think its double frame. But boy it would turn short with the set back axle and that wheelbase.
https://kansascity.craigslist.org/hvd/d/2000-kenworth-800-nov-99/6691801652.html
The next one is also set back axle- I don't know what that does for you with bridge length. It's 22,000 up front, but only 44,000 rears. It doesn't say 2 speed rears in the ad, but that sure looks like a two speed rear switch on the dash.
https://kansascity.craigslist.org/hvd/d/1999-peterbilt-378-heavy-haul/6688864511.html
148,000 is a load.
And just so I'm clear, its 4 axle tractor, 3 axle jeep, trailer- with three axles, then a 2 axle stinger on the rear?
I only know one guy running two speed rears by me, he's a cross country boat hauler and likes the two speed for the high ratio home empty. The low side for crawling around boat ramps and such with the big houseboats. He's had to spend big $$ fixing them.
I'm only grossing around 105,000 with my lowboy. 3 axle truck and 3 axle trailer. But I really wish mine was double frame. I notice it when climbing up and down out of my shop hill that the front end really torque's up when headed out, and it even walks back the other way when headed back down with the jakes on. I'm only 14,000 front and 40,000 rears, 4.11's. I wouldn't want any more on my truck.
Hallback
Senior Member
Here is the Skagit being unhooked after we arrived in the woods.