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Fun in Detroit--Abandoned Buildings waiting for Demo

Wouldn't you love to try this?

  • Can't wait.

    Votes: 9 37.5%
  • Do it all the time.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Would rather take a wrecking ball to the whole building.

    Votes: 14 58.3%
  • No, that was my truck.

    Votes: 2 8.3%

  • Total voters
    24
  • Poll closed .

Wolf

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This is hilarious. From the front page of today's Wall Street Journal, believe it or not. . .

http://online.wsj.com/video/how-to-...dow/D303746F-E29F-49EE-97C5-FC679F9BA3BD.html




How Do You Put the Dump Into Dump Truck? Push It Off the Fourth Floor
Detroit's Abandoned Industrial Landscape Has Become a Playground for Pranksters


By ALEX P. KELLOGG
DETROIT -- Nobody can say for sure how an old dump truck ended up on the fourth floor of the abandoned Packard auto plant on East Grand Boulevard. But there's no doubt about how it got back down.

It was pushed through a hole in the wall.


In September, a dump truck got pushed out of the fourth floor of an abandoned Packard plant in Detroit. Videographer Stephen McGee captured the event on tape.
The act, caught on video, required the efforts of a number of people, a sledgehammer, a hydraulic floor jack, stacks of cinder blocks and a peculiar sense of propriety.

The Packard plant, a 3.5-million-square-foot luxury-car factory, opened in 1907 and shut down in 1956. In more recent decades, other businesses operated on the premises or used it for storage, but by the late 1990s, the Packard plant was all but forsaken.

Detroit has 80,000 abandoned lots and buildings, according to the city's planning department. Old housing projects, homes, strip malls and even high-rise buildings sit empty across much of the city. Motown has more vacant office, retail and industrial space than nearly every other big city in the country.

Like many of Detroit's abandoned buildings, though, it's anything but deserted. Rather, it's a hive of activity, buzzing with scavengers, vandals, late-night revelers, arsonists, photographers and urban explorers who brave the crumbling buildings' many hazards and create a good number of their own. The complex remains unguarded.

"Mayhem. That's what they should call the place," says John, a 36-year-old telephone-line repairman who spends his spare time exploring Detroit's legendary industrial ruins. "If you decide you want to push a dump truck out of a window, this is the place to do it."

John made that decision in late May, when he and a friend were touring one of the Packard plant's more than 40 buildings. John recalls spotting the rusted shell of the truck, parked on the fourth floor.

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Stephen McGee

Included a photo of a group of suburb residents and canadians who I found trying to push out this truck from the packard plant's fourth story window last sat. After 8 broken jacks and 3 months of work, they finally pushed the truck out of the hole they made in the building's wall. Then they left after rejoicing at the crash.
Already, he boasts, he and some friends had pushed two boats and the remains of a yellow Volkswagen Beetle out of upper floors at the Packard plant. The truck would be his biggest feat yet, the perfect finale to years of tomfoolery.

What's more, the tires still had air in them. "We were like, 'Wow, this is doable,'" John recalls. They left with a batch of digital photographs and a plan.

Karen Nagher seethes when she hears about such capers. Executive director of Preservation Wayne, a nonprofit organization that holds out hope for even the most forlorn buildings, Ms. Nagher says it infuriates her that people come from "all over the world" to poke around Detroit. "Piece by piece, they're disassembling those buildings, making it harder and harder to restore them," she says.

The city has had no luck in its long quest to redevelop the Packard plant. Its current owner, Romel Casab, did not return calls seeking comment.

Journal Communitydiscuss“ Seems odd, that in the 21st century, instead of having futuristic cars flying around like the Jetsons, we have the Clockwork Orange crew pushing vehicles out of windows. Progress? ”
— T.J. Power Those who prowl Detroit's vacant buildings are largely unimpeded. Many live in the suburbs but come here for the adventure, knowing that they're unlikely to get caught. Some say they break into the building to explore, but not to steal or vandalize. Others have no qualms about collecting souvenirs from the rubble, but they say they don't intentionally damage the structure. Still others draw the line at setting fires. But for a few, anything goes.

Busy enough with occupied buildings, police and fire crews aren't able to do much to protect abandoned sites like the Packard plant or people who venture into them. The Detroit Fire Department considers the factory too unstable to enter and fights fires only from the outside. The city's Police Department doesn't time have the resources to deal with people rummaging around abandoned buildings, and the onus is on building owners anyway, says John Roach, a spokesman.

Two fires kept John, the telephone repairman, and his friends away from the plant in June. They returned in July to find the dump truck as they had left it. This time, recalls John, "we came prepared" with tools -- and beer.

John soon realized that this was no Volkswagen. With no openings in the building big enough to push a dump truck through, John and his team created one of their own, using a 10-pound sledgehammer to bust a hole through a brick exterior wall.

John and his friends recruited about 10 other people, he recalls. Together, they pushed the vehicle more than a hundred feet, right up to the wall. But the truck got caught on the lip of the building, its front end poking out the opening.

And it sat there for two months. While John's crew regrouped and planned to return in mid-October, a rival band swooped in on the truck, he says. But they had no luck, either. They torched the truck's upholstery and planned to return later.

John saw the fire as a warning and decided to move up the final push to Sept. 27. "We don't want any competition," he recalls thinking.

He arrived at the plant that day with five buddies, more beer and a borrowed jack. They began trying to hoist the back of the truck enough to clear the bottom edge of the hole.

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Stephen McGee

The bowed dump truck came to rest on its tires after it was levered out of the fourth story of the plant.
Detroit photographer Stephen McGee was driving past the plant and looked up to see the nose of a truck sticking through the wall and people around it. He pulled off the highway and into the plant, which he had visited before. He found John's team on the fourth floor, and they agreed to let him record their exploits on video.

"I don't think anybody has ever done this," one of John's buddies says on the video.

"And we're not even doing it for that," John replies. "It's just like, it wants out. We're getting it out of here."

Mr. McGee's footage shows what happened next. John's guys park the jack under the truck end and start pumping its handle, using cinder blocks and wood along the way to lock in their progress. With the truck perched at a steep angle toward the ground below, a wiry, bearded member of John's gang slips into the cab to tape a video camera onboard and hops back out. A burlier buddy gives the jack a few pumps. But as the back rises, the truck tips to the side, toppling the cinder blocks and falling back to the floor.

The fall nudges the truck a crucial foot or two outward, though, and the crew is encouraged. "Some good progress right here," the wiry one says.

They clear out shattered cinder blocks, reposition the jack under the middle of the truck and start over. Eventually, they get the back wheels off the ground again, just enough to tip the truck back up; they prop it up with an extra tire and give the jack a few more pumps. They've been at it for a few hours, and dusk is settling in.

Just as the cinder blocks begin to groan again, the truck lurches forward, tumbles out and twists awkwardly in the air.

Outside, the truck shoots sparks from its grille as its tail hits the ground, and then tips forward onto its four tires. Cheers erupt from onlookers on the ground and above. "It landed upright!" one of them says.

John steps to the lip of the wall, peers out toward the downtown skyline and takes a bow, acknowledging cheers from below.

"It is usually not our MO to bash things up," says John, recalling the escapade weeks later. "It's just the place."

Write to Alex P. Kellogg at alex.kellogg
 

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Wolf

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I know the guys from Detroit on here say that there are so many abandoned buildings that need to be demo'ed. Here is one more.
 

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It's actually dangerous as hell in Detroit, Wolf. If you don't fall thorough a dilapidated floor, some druggie is likely to shove a shiv into your throat and depart with your wallet, leaving you bleeding on the floor.

Those that want to rehabilitate some of these old buildings need to show up with all the cash needed to do the job right. Not try fleecing other citizens out of their money or the government out of tax dollars to do the work. In Detroit especially, many of the building were constructed in times without any building codes and with now recognized dangerous materials like asbestos.

Detroit's population has shrunk considerably, and it's very doubtful the old buildings will ever be used again for profitable enterprise. From my perspective, it's far better to demolish these old hulks and start over fresh.
 

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Looks like fun, kids got a lot of time on their hands...:beatsme

I have a buddy from Detroit(St. Claire Shores actually) and he had told me this is the kind of thing that kids do out there, when he was young. Fooling around in abandoned buildings I guess to city kids is kinda like shooting roadsigns or mailbox baseball for country kids.


Shame about all the decay, Gary, IN is about the same way. I like going out on safari early in the morning driving through to look at the old buildings and see what I can see. I just don't mess around in them though, as doing stuff like this can be grounds for a B&E, vandalism,trespassing, or theft.

Some of the buildings in Gary are getting stuff done to them, either renovated or knocked down, but there are plenty to spare and not enough people to fill them.
 

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We have moved on and now were lost....
Like to bid on the demolition of that death trap of a building
 

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detroit will never fill those buildings. people who want to restore them have no idea what it would take to do it. Theyres empty buildings popping up all over new jersey too. saw a sign the other day a whole office building was empty 600,000 sqft. for lease. Theyres more and more and less and less to fill them. Good luck Detroit.
-Eric
 

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We have moved on and now were lost....
We it appears will be the same here with commercial, manufacturing and domestic buildings being left idle, and no one having the money to either maintain or knock them down.We are in a right mess now with a lot of half built structures,no one wants to finish them as there is no finance available and no tenants even when they are finished....sad really.
 

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Like to bid on the demolition of that death trap of a building

sure would be a killer job.

anyone ever done any urban exploring like this? or pulled some stunts like this before demolishing the building?
 

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Hey Wolf,
Consider this an open invitation to go 'exploring' in Detroit with me. There are dozens of these large buildings and 1,000's of smaller to mid-size buildings. Many are 'occupied' by urban dwellers so this will definitely be a daylight adventure. Most of Detroit needs to be leveled and sent back to the 1800's. Start planting crops on the vacant land (at least some revenue will be generated). It really is a sad situation.
 

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Hey Wolf,
Consider this an open invitation to go 'exploring' in Detroit with me. There are dozens of these large buildings and 1,000's of smaller to mid-size buildings. Many are 'occupied' by urban dwellers so this will definitely be a daylight adventure. Most of Detroit needs to be leveled and sent back to the 1800's. Start planting crops on the vacant land (at least some revenue will be generated). It really is a sad situation.

Rick,

Ill take you up on that offer. Worked all over down in the ghetto would love to see some of them old buildings inside.


Tom
 

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My mother grew up in & around Detroit. Last summer mom, her sister & brother took Grandma for a ride to all the places they lived...
Grandpa was the sole income, with 9 kids ya'll know what Grannie did. Gramps never had a really good job, no auto retirement for a guy that shoveled coal. They moved around alot.
Mom said she was never so scared in her life, just driving thru the "hoods"....where she grew up. Some houses still there, most were gone.
Sad....very sad.
They need to start at one end of Detroit with a fleet of D11's and just keep going.....

Ed
 

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Anybody been watching what they been doing to the old Lafayette Building in downtown Detroit? Some pretty good high reach action there. I think ADAMO got that job going.
 

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Yeah Adamo did get the job. My Dad worked for them for 5 years when they did underground. He last the last pipe crew they had when there bonding power was pulled. If I am not mistaken that job has a 385 hrd and a 385 excavator. Small area but alot of work going on there.
 

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Why are they trying to save Central Station????

Beats me.

I hear that building is so far gone, and a real eyesore. The tree huggers and leaf lickers are at it again. The building needs to be cleared away. This is out of control.


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March 5, 2010
Seeking a Future for a Symbol of a Grander Past
By SUSAN SAULNY
DETROIT — The last train pulled away more than 20 years ago from Michigan Central Station, one of thousands of “see-through” buildings here, empty shells from more auspicious times.

Many of the blighted buildings stay up simply because they are too expensive to tear down. Yet Michigan Central is in a class of its own. Some city officials consider it among the ugliest behemoths to pockmark Detroit and have ordered its demolition, but others see it as the industrial age’s most gracious relic, a Beaux Arts gem turned gothic from neglect but steeped in haunting beauty.

Now Detroit has become embroiled in an urgent debate over how to save what is perhaps its most iconic ruin — and in the process, some insist, give the demoralized city a much needed boost.

“People compare it to Roman ruins,” said Karen Nagher, the executive director of Preservation Wayne, an organization that seeks to protect architecture and neighborhoods around Detroit. “Some people just want it left alone. But I’d love to see that building with windows in and lights on again.”

Since the City Council voted last year to demolish the depot, the building has been granted a reprieve of sorts thanks to more urgent issues confronting the city, including a $400 million budget deficit and a lawsuit to halt the tear down (citing the station’s historic landmark status). Further, several council members, elected since the vote, do not share the previous Council’s enthusiasm for land clearing.

“I don’t want to bulldoze it, then find out later there could have been a viable use for it,” said Charles Pugh, a newly elected member who took over as Council president in January.

Now preservationists, business owners, state leaders and community activists are taking what feels like a last stab at saving the 97-year-old building before it goes the way of New York’s Pennsylvania Station or, more locally, Tiger Stadium and countless other pieces of old Detroit that have fallen to the wrecking ball in recent years.

Among the recent proposals have been to turn the cavernous brick, steel and stone facade into an extreme sports castle; a casino; a hotel and office park; a fish hatchery and aquarium; an amphitheater; or a railway station again, with high-speed trains.

Or just clean and secure it, and leave it the way it is as an attraction for tourists.

“It’s the quintessential example of urban decay in Detroit,” said John Mohyi, a Wayne State University student and founder of the Michigan Central Station Preservation Society, a nonprofit group formed to save the building. “To see redevelopment of that station would have a major impact on morale.”

Having lost nearly a million people in the last 60 years, Detroit has a backlog of thousands of empty office buildings, theaters, houses and hotels. Downtown alone, more than 200 abandoned buildings are on the National Register of Historic Places. Most are examples of the Art Deco and neo-Classical styles that were popular before World War II, when Detroit was booming.

But with 500,000 square feet of space on 14 acres of land, Michigan Central Station is “different from your standard vacant building,” said Mickey Blashfield, a government relations official with the station’s owner, CenTra Inc., a trucking and transportation company that acquired it by default through a property transfer in 1995 and has struggled to find a use for it since.

“Architecturally and historically,” Mr. Blashfield said, “it has more of an emotional connection with people than virtually any building in the city.”

As it is, Michigan Central Station, with its 18-story office tower, has been picked to the bare bones by scavengers, who over the years have made off with a treasure-trove of chandeliers and mahogany and marble ornaments.

But it is still a magnet for urban explorers and photographers from around the world. On various Facebook pages, it has more than 15,000 fans and friends. Phillip Cooley, a restaurant owner who lives across a park from the station, estimates that about 30 sightseers a day show up at its locked gate, cameras raised. He calls the building “an education.”

“A building like that would not be allowed to deteriorate that way and remain standing in any other city,” said Mr. Cooley, who spends some of his free time around the station with neighbors cleaning up and planting grass. “It shows our postindustrial landscape: how nature takes over, what abandonment looks like. There’s a lot to be learned from its current state. It needs to be a public space again.”

Jack Teatsorth, the station’s director of security, said his parents met at the depot during its bustling World War II years. “Inside is a solid steel skeleton,” he said. “There’s not enough dynamite in four states to bring this building down.”

Mr. Blashfield said his company was not interested in demolition, but needed an anchor tenant or at least “a critical mass” of businesses or government agencies before it could pay for any renovation. And that is the hard part; grand and varied plans have been proposed over the years, with none coming to fruition.

But there is new hope that momentum is building for Michigan Central to become a hub for some government security functions, like the Detroit headquarters of the Michigan State Police, some state and federal Homeland Security offices and, given Detroit’s location close to the Canadian border, a center for trade inspections, Mr. Blashfield said.

Plans are preliminary, but they offer the most promise of anything proposed lately, especially if federal stimulus money can be used.

“I think this window of opportunity is very narrow, and if we don’t seize the moment, we may lose it,” said Cameron S. Brown, a Republican state senator who supports having security agencies use the building. “The clock is ticking.”
 

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Central Michigan Station

Hey Wolf,
Consider this an open invitation to go 'exploring' in Detroit with me. There are dozens of these large buildings and 1,000's of smaller to mid-size buildings. Many are 'occupied' by urban dwellers so this will definitely be a daylight adventure. Most of Detroit needs to be leveled and sent back to the 1800's. Start planting crops on the vacant land (at least some revenue will be generated). It really is a sad situation.

Have you ever been "exploring" inside the Central Michigan Station? That looks like one giant POS that needs to come down, don't you think? Let's go check that one out, Rick, what do you think?
 
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