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Discussion in 'Trucks' started by Truck Shop, Aug 15, 2022.

  1. John C.

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    My thinking is of the total amount of material available. Only a couple of places on earth where you can find lithium to mine and neither is very hospitable to human habitation. Peru for one and somewhere in China for the second. Find it, move it, process it to useful product and then you get to manufacture something using that item into a product that will power a mover for convenient conveyance from point A to point B. If you only have enough mineral to build batteries for a quarter to half the demand, then only those who can pay will have access. I'm not saying that we can burn petroleum until all its component parts are in the atmosphere instead of the ground. There had better be technology in the works that uses more than just a single type of mineral or atom with limited supply.
     
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    That’s Just what my Investment broker told me. He says invest in water( tanker’s, pipeline’s )
     
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    Australia has large reserves of lithium and a highly efficient mining sector. Already contracts to supply Tesla, Ford and other companies have been written.
    There are also a range of other battery technologies being developed such as zinc bromide, which are more suited to stationary use freeing up lithium for mobile use.
    EV is highly technologically based which can mean rapid improvements in a very short time in a competitive environment.
     
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  6. DMiller

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    Major issues are total quantities worldwide in known reserves, alternate strategies in batteries are flopping like dead fish as to excessive weight, higher heat retention, chemical reactions that become uncontrollable.

    Then the major elephant in the room, Chinese Gov decided were using too much power, shut off charging stations. In USA bills were not paid so charging stations cut off, was a line of twenty plus Teslas awaiting a single group of chargers on the news as had no other place to get a rapid full charge. Brings up another point, recharge or charging short cycle these batteries and life decreases exponentially.
     
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    Scania test electric logging truck doing short distance transfers at up to 176K lbs.

     
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    https://traton.com/en/newsroom/curr...c-drive-represents-the-future-for-trucks.html

    Here is an article basically arguing electric is superior to hydrogen, and diesel isn't even considered.
    And here is an promo piece by the same company, the parent company of VW, Scania etc.
    https://traton.com/en/innovation-hub/video-interview-christian-levin.html
    The takeaway is they're driving an all electric bus, talking about promoting electric vehicles, and politics is a huge part of that, and heavy trucks are a big part of that to make the buses convincing. I especially like the younger lady plugging in the fancy cord, reminds me of the glass bowl gas pumps of the teens and twenties, a lot of show to convince the public that it's legit. Ever argue with a Tesla owner that the cord is not a battery charger? same thing, tesla makes a fancy cord that looks like it could contain a battery charger and most owners are convinced. Any battery charger over a few amps needs cooling, no way the guts of a battery charger are in your fancy cord. The bus charger is even tall and authoritative looking, that's gotta be way higher tech and stuff than the beat up welder I got.
     
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    https://www.telesurenglish.net/news...s&utm_campaign=NewsletterIngles&utm_content=8
    "Currently, this Latin American country has the world's largest lithium deposit in Sonora, which places it in tenth place of 23 countries with proven mineral reserves."
     
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    Not sure I can trust the whole of the report as I have no idea of who the reporting agency is. The other point I wonder about is this statement:

    "In April, Mexico reformed its Mining Law to declare lithium a mineral of public utility whose exploitation will be an exclusive power of the State through a new public institution."

    Another questionable statement concerns who will run the enterprise:
    "the "Lithium for Mexico" company (LitioMx) will be directed by Pablo Taddei, who is pursuing a doctorate in environmental health at Harvard University."

    A doctorate in "environmental health" hardly qualifies as someone who is expert in mining and the infrastructure to support it. We had a governor in Washington State that was put in charge of the US Nuclear Regulatory Agency in the sixties. Her qualification was a "doctorate in Marine Biology" Then Three Mile Island happened.

    I'd like to see some of the main stream media do some reporting and confirmation of all this.
     
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    My guess is they refer to short tons and it's actually 160k lbs but it's still an impressive weight. Real question though is how far can it go with that?
     
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    @0:19 the video shows a caption "gross weight up to 80 tonnes" which is metric tonnes and is equal to 176k pounds.
     
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    Did y'all see that Commifornia is asking people not to charge electric vehicles over the Labor Day weekend, since it is going to be hot?!:eek:


    :D
     
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    Chile has the World's largest reserves of lithium. It occurs around all the deposits of natural nitrates (saltpeter) that have been mined since the British opened up the nitrate mining industry in the late 19th Century. https://lithiumchile.ca/

    Both Chile and Peru have long-established high-altitude open pit mining operations for both gold and copper. I don't see why litium should create too many problems for them to get out of the ground.
     
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    I don't see the mining as being a problem. Issues that I see are total amount available versus the demand for the product and the political situations that allow supply to all the industries wanting to purchase it.
     
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    Especially with Slip Seat Battery systems, Multiple Batteries for Each Vehicle kept on rack ready for swap, makes one go Hmmm. BIL working for Metro St Louis stated are only getting ~5 hours on a battery charge where have regenerative braking systems aboard. Takes between 4 and 6 hours to reach 96% charge for next use. Battery takes up 80% of the roof on a transit bus. Are too new to note maintenance needs except REQUIRED to be High Voltage Electrically certified Electrician.
     
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    Motor Age a automotive industry mag has a article (EV's Aren't Going Away} and what is
    going to be required to work on one.

    I see Kentucky is going to be the battery building state.
     
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  18. John C.

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    I don't believe they are going away either. I just point out the issues and let others identify some of the facts and solutions. I don't see EVs replacing petroleum in the near future like some of the greenies seem to think.
     
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    My biggest concerns are distance capabilities, recharge time or even battery swaps labor time, and what happens to the old batteries as there is no documented recyclers as yet. Lithium as degrades becomes Boron Oxide and is not further utilizable/suitable as a Battery component. Boron is a acidic solid.
     
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