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Dump Trucks

Discussion in 'Trucks' started by Red Bank, Nov 11, 2009.

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  1. Orchard Ex

    Orchard Ex Super Moderator

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    Bob, it's true that the bridges capacity wouldn't change. Here's an abstract from a Minnesota study on this very topic. The bridges along the chosen routes were inspected to ensure that they could handle the increased load. I guess that the bridges were built with excess capacity. :) http://www.mrr.dot.state.mn.us/research/pdf/200425.pdf

    The whole things seems to indicate that "bridge law" may be a misnomer and it should more accurately be called the "roadbed law".
     
  2. trucker68

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    No my time line wasn't off and I'm not contradicting myself. The federal weight law leaves a lot of special conditions up to the states. For example all states decide things like length and hight and many more but they still can comply with the basic federal bridge formula. There are around 35 states that follow very closely to the federal formula now. The formula gives them basic guide lines for axle spacing, axle capacity , groups, GVW, ect. It should be used everywhere and all antiquated laws like the one in south carolina that destroy the roads should be thrown out.. It would stop all the confusion about weight laws. It would give us the freedom to take our trucks anywhere anytime be legal and have larger payloads Just put a little planning and research into specing your equipment. And remember another little phrase (that's why I have wheels on my trucks) And have the backbone to use it. I have read all of the state weight laws at least to some degree and I did not find any where we would not be better off with the federal law. Some of these laws bring new meaning to the word stupid.
     
  3. mitch504

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    How about explain to me in detail how I could carry more weight under the bridge formula. I will not be able to gross any more than the 80,000 lbs that I do now, and if my trucks get 30' longer, the empty weight will go up.

    If you want to bring a bridge formula compliant truck into SC, you can gross 80,000, too.

    How do you put a bridge formula compliant truck into a 10' wide driveway off of a 20' wide road?

    What state uses a maximum height other than 13' 6"?

    After you answer these questions, consider Michigan; They can carry a very large load on short trucks, and have less weight per axle than the fed formula allows.
     
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  4. trucker68

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    Yes but I m a little pushed for time I'll get to your answer in a day or two but the fed could be a good thing for you too
     
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    :roll:falldownlaugh
     
  6. trucker68

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    Mitch504
    I need to have a little more info to answer your questions 1 weight of your rock buckets dry 2 wheel base and axle spread 3 and most important outer bridge (distance in inches center of your FRT AXLE to center of your REAR MOST AXLE Also a little description of your business (type hauls )how much do you use the interstate and could you use the interstate more and if not why not. Is there any type hauls you would like to have or , might be more profitable
     
  7. trucker68

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    As to your question about hight. Most of the western states are14 and 14.5 most of the eastern states are 13.5 and 13 I also I seem to remember a couple of oddball states that were 12 or 12.5 somewhere in the east.
     
  8. trucker68

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    Mich 504 try to be as accurate as possible on outer bridge and weight Remember I am trying to help. (This could be a good thing) you may not hate the bridge formula if it makes you money
     
  9. Orchard Ex

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    Thanks for helping all of us, we were lost without you. :rolleyes: If you really want to help stop double posting as you are making more work for us moderators.
    Have you ever actually driven a truck? Seriously...
     
  10. mitch504

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    Yes I am very glad you are willing to help me understand the trucking business, because if you don't count the time I spent growing up around it, I've only spent 27 yrs in the trucking industry. I cut my fleet back last yr, so now I only have 6 trucks. I have my own interstate authority, though it is inactive now by choice.

    I didn't ask you to calculate the bridge formula weights on my trucks for me, I can certainly do that.

    I asked you how I could spec a hypothetical truck that would carry more weight than I do now.

    My next question was how to spec an 80,000 lb bridge formula truck that could get into a 10' farm lane off of a 20' road.
     
  11. trucker68

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    I assume you would want me to show you a better truck if that is possible. I know you don't believe it but I can. But to do that I need to know what it is going to be compared to. So you will have to spend a few minutes and answer my questions. With your massive and awesom experience this should be a simple thing. If you would do what I ask I will show you how to build a better 80, 000 bridge law truck. This truck might out produce your present equipment. I will also give you autocad drawings with your delivery depicted with the proposed rig negotiating the turns if it can. You never know I actually might be wrong Also if I have time I will work the weight and balance of both rigs. By the way I have almost twice the experience that you claim
     
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    I have only been doing this for a few days. I just discovered this forum thing. I was addicted instantly. So please excuse my ignorance and let me add you guys are great fun.
     
  13. trucker68

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    I know I seem like a smart axx but I actually would like to help. Try to have an open mind. I could be a good thing. Don't let me get under your skin.
     
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    This thread has gotten to be both informative and entertaining at the same time.

    Sometimes a little controversy brings about a few new viewpoints.

    Re The bridge formula truck that can negotiate the farm roads, what are you running now, and what is the payload? To me, payload is all that matters, not gross weight. Superdumps meet bridge law and can net up to 26 ton, depending on the state. In the most restrictive states they can still get 22 ton, and have the abilities of a 10 wheeler on the jobsites.
     
  15. mitch504

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    Jerry,
    I am running a short tandem tractor and a 24' dump trailer. In the area I work, I can gross 80,000 lbs w/ this truck, and have a payload w/ full fuel tanks of 26.75 tons. It is very manueverable. I am very satisfied with them.

    He said that I didn't understand that I would be better off if I were forced to follow the bridge formula. I have been trying to get him to show me how.
     
  16. Orchard Ex

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    Maybe you could describe your experience for us.
    And I'm still waiting for an explanation on how a "universal bridge law" that still has each state making changes to it as they see fit is any different that what we have now.:beatsme
     
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    That is some kind of light for an end dump. I guess it helps keep the weight down by being so short. Around here, about 23 ton is all you can net in a common end dump suitable for construction use. There are light weight ones, but for material haulers only.

    Sounds like it works for your area, and a few local states, but you could probably only haul 20 ton or less under bridge law with that set up.
     
  18. mitch504

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    only about 16, actually
     
  19. trucker68

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    I did not say this was a superdump but I did say I would design Mitch 504 a rig that would be better than the rock buckets he thinks are so great. He challenged me to do that. Now if he is not going to tuck his tail I will spend my valuable time and Attempt to do that. I ALSO challenge anyone to show a me a configuration and specs that I can't beat. I believe I am the best. Not hypothetical but actual trucks they own and were dumb enough to buy .There may be things I don't know but I doubt it. I don't think there are many people in the dumper business that know squat. Get a little fire in your belly and prove me wrong. I out of the goodness of my heart may actually teach you something. I also challenge any one on there stupid weight laws. I will prove the fed is better for everybody. One size could fit all. Who knows Trucker 68 knows General dump business only not specialty trucks, I will get to them later. Come on gurus and experts I will show you how the cow ate the cabbage.
     
  20. JDOFMEMI

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    :popcorn :popcorn :popcorn
     
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