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Dump truck controls

Discussion in 'Other Earthmoving Equipment' started by Rickyb1968, Feb 12, 2022.

  1. Rickyb1968

    Rickyb1968 Well-Known Member

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    I’m looking at a dump truck and have a few questions. It’s a Mack truck with a ox body dump bed on it. The control panel inside the truck has in/out pto switch and beside it is a shifter style handle that you move to down or up to raise and lower the bed. Behind that is push button for tailgate air gate latch.

    First question::::: the control to raise/lower bed is backwards. To raise bed you move shifter to lower and vice versa. How would I correct this?

    second question…… there is no cylinder for air gate latch. Don’t know what happened to it. How do I go about finding cylinder that will work with my setup.
     
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    Depends on what the handle does. If its a cable operated push pull control, its going to take a little fabrication to swap. You may have to change around some brackets so the cable pushes the spool the other direction. The cable likely goes right to the control spool on the pump.

    If the lever controls air lines, you probably just need to swap the lines on the control valve.

    If its a lever on a hydraulic valve(rare, but on some county or state surplus trucks), then you may have to swap some hydraulic lines around.

    If you're just missing the cylinder, you just need a closed dimension and a open dimension (length) to size the cylinder, And a big enough diameter to have enough push, any good truck parts place can get you the right stuff. A fleet pride or Inland truck parts etc.
     
  4. Rickyb1968

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    Thanks crane operator. I’m looking at buying the truck Monday. I will be able to post some photos and get a little more information. I know it’s not cables. More than likely air. Thanks for the response.
     
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    You could just turn the control 180 or you will have to ab a bracket for the cable to come from other direction i its air operated just swap lines
     
  6. Rickyb1968

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    Another question on this dump truck and being able to tailgate a load out of it. With this truck I have to put truck in neutral and engage pto while moving shifter to raise bed. Release clutch and bed comes up. With this information how would I tailgate a load of gravel?
     
  7. Labparamour

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    Set gate chains, engage and leave pto engaged (you can drive with it engaged), raise box a bit while in neutral ( you can often hear material start to move), select appropriate gear to maintain good spread and start forward, trip gate and continue to raise box incrementally to keep material moving.

    How I do it...
    Others may have better ways
     
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    To clarify you can Not drive down the highway with pto engaged. You can run at low speeds and low rpm though. If it is the same hoist control that I am thinking of (which is on every air operated valve I have seen in dump truck or tractor with dump trailer in the last 25 or so years) you will have to remove control from bracket and reinstall in opposite direction because they automatically kick out pto when lever is moved to "lower" position. Swapping lines around will just kick out pto as you try to raise body.
     
  9. Rickyb1968

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    So I can do as Labparamour has posted but keep low rpm’s and low gears?
     
  10. Labparamour

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    Yeah, should have said- pto engaged only while dumping.
    Yes, will be trial and error for proper gear and chain setting based on material size.
    I like to be moving before tripping the gate so you don’t have a “lump” of material at the start of spread.
     
  11. Labparamour

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    Also need to add:
    Better to chain gate wider than too little...load will bind up and you can’t close gate to loosen chains. Have to rake/scrape out from between gate and box until gate closes enough to re-adjust chains. (Had that happen when I went from crunched aggregate to soil and forgot to remove chains!)
    I chain so gate has about 3-4” for 1 1/4” crushed. Also probably better to be moving too fast than too slow..you can always lower box, back up and make another pass rather than not having material go as far as you wanted.
     
  12. Rickyb1968

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    So just to clarify I can keep the pto engaged while tailgating? You would have to if your raise your bed a little as you do it?
     
  13. Labparamour

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    Correct: clutch must be out to operate hydraulic pump and/or move truck.
    While not healthy, I’ve mistakenly started down the road again w pto still engaged...caught quickly.
    Not good but not fatal (when stationary, lots of drivers will run up engine speed,1200rpm or so, to raise box quicker)
     
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    If you float your gears the PTO will let you know you left it in :)
    All that above is good stuff, start fat on the chains, get a roll going before popping the gate, WATCH FOR OVERHEAD WIRES!!
    I tend to raise it almost enough to overtop the tailgate with gravel, and then only have to do a little lifting to get it clear.
    If the sidehill is too much for that, it is probably too much to be tailgating.
    If you are doing partial stripes, lower the bed as you slow down. Set the brakes and grab the shovel off the rack, and pry the gate open with it and let it slam until you can set the gate latch for round two.
    Don't get your precious fingers anywhere near that gate. Ask me how I know :mad:
     
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