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Dozer pulled pans

Discussion in 'Scrapers' started by Jeffksf, Oct 25, 2008.

  1. clansing1

    clansing1 Well-Known Member

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    Hourly Rate for a crawler (Dresser TD-20G) & scraper (Cat 435) combo?

    We have a TD-20G LGP (52,000 lbs. & 230 HP) that we pull a Cat 435 Scraper with. I believe the scraper has a 14 yd. struck and a 17-18 yd. heaped capacity. We charge $140/HR for the dozer by itself. What would be the going rate for this combo. Do I charge the same rate with the scraper combo since I'm not burning as much fuel, less track wear and tear since I'm only going forward, etc.? Also, most scraper jobs are longer duration 4-5 days, where a bulldozer only job is 1-2 days. There is more mobilization and set up time with the scraper combo.

    Any input would be appreciated.

    Thanks.

    Tazzels
     
  2. nkh111

    nkh111 Well-Known Member

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    The company I work for has about 10 D9 and pan units. They work great on soft and steeper work that we have alot of in southeast missouri. But the undercarriage takes a huge beating and they are slow so runs should be kept around 500 feet or less
     
  3. Greg

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    Agree with you on undercarriage. It tends to cut the inside out due to the long straight runs but not as bad as I thought it might. Don't look at distance here, look at $$$ per yard the job is worth. That dictates how it gets done here which in most cases is with the Cats and pans.
     
  4. brassman80

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    I have a question about outfits who run this set up. I live in the Buffalo, NY area and I would love to see these machines operate but I seriously doubt anyone runs the setup, I am guessing due to soil restrictions. Does anyone know if there are dirt contractors from my area approx. 150 mile radius, that use this style of earthmoving.
     
  5. Someguy

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    What model of scraper is that behind the D9s in the pictures ?

    Thanks
     
  6. alan627b

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    Somebody will correct me here but...
    MacAnninch usually pairs a D9T or D10 T with either a modified 631 or 641 pan, a D11 with a 651 pan. Some of the other pics look like cat 70 ot 80 pans converted to hydraulic operation.
    I think Roly from the UK has a fleet of D8K's pulling cat 463's.
    Cats number system changed sometime in the 60's....
    Check these out. http://www.machinerytrader.com/list...RPILLAR&GUID=3DE45EBC26844A8899F675C9C023098D
    Cat pull scrapers or either the 40-90 models, or 400 series.
    Some companies refurbish old scraper pans and assign their own numbers to them as well.
    The scraper for sale listings. http://www.machinerytrader.com/list...id=1054&guid=3DE45EBC26844A8899F675C9C023098D
    Hope this helps,
    Alan627b
     
  7. Gehringt

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    Pilot system work on our d8h, still have scraper for sale? Very interested
     
  8. Renfroe Grading

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    Pilot system should work on D8H with minor modification. Contact me at beau(at)renfroeminingandgrading(dotcom)
     
  9. wnydirtguy

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    I got to watch Ryan move a couple hundred thousand yards of dirt on a site near me. I was impressed at how well the 8's did. I never saw the push dozer behind them once. They are really nice for short hauls.
     
  10. wnydirtguy

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    brassman80-there are 2 setting near Rt. 77 and Rt. 5 right now. They have been used lately because of the rain. I have seen some others with weeds growing around them in the area.
     
  11. ShaneK

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    Duplicate post
     
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  12. ShaneK

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    Here is a picture of a Liebherr Dozer hooked up to a 33 cubic yard scraper in Ontario, Canada. They refer to this unit as the 'Beast' as for how productive it is.
     
  13. old-iron-habit

    old-iron-habit Senior Member

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    What is the make and model of that pan. The picture may be deceiving but it looks small for 33 yards.
     
  14. bteigrob

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    that looks like a Ktec scraper made in Manitoba. They painted the cylinders on those purple, that is why i would guess it was Ktec. Am i correct ShaneK?
     
  15. ShaneK

    ShaneK Well-Known Member

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    Yep, you are correct.
     
  16. old-iron-habit

    old-iron-habit Senior Member

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    WOW, They make some big pans. Website shows them up to 50+ yards. There size is decieving behind the 574.
     
  17. nicky 68a

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    Something just doesn't look right with that pic . I'm sure it must work ok though.My old D8's would struggle with 33 cube.That German tractor must be stronger and heavier than it looks
     
  18. Scrub Puller

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    Yair . . .

    I don't understand the thinking on these scrapers with no dolly.

    All that weight and leverage on the azz-end looks horrible. What are the advantages and do they leave the blade on for a counterweight?

    To me one of the joys of scooping was to get rid of the blade and have a fast, responsive and manoeuvrable tractor.

    Cheers.
     
  19. Shimmy1

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    I had never seen a direct-mount behind a steel track until this pic. The reason they started building direct-mount pans was the growing popularity of farm tractors pulling pans. The tractors require less ballast, and direct-mounts are lighter and more maneuverable than dollies, plus you can hook multiples to really hammer the work out. I just have one story to share. I have what I used to call a competitor that ran a D7G and a 435?? string scraper for 40+ years. His dad basically pioneered drainage in our county. When I started scraping in 2003, I showed him nothing but the tail lights. My rubber track is twice as fast, my scraper holds more, and I had grade indication on the scraper. I could cover more ground in 6 hours than he could do in 2 days. Rocks do slow me down, but they slow everybody down.