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"Don't Drop the Ball"

Discussion in 'Safety Issues' started by Nige, Oct 4, 2017.

  1. td25c

    td25c Senior Member

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    That's a great point Berkin !

    I don't fly unless I'm in my own plane but have heard all the crazy stories about air port security .

    Dumb a society down & that's what happens .

    I aint gonna participate in it .... Just keep it " Old School " all the way .

    Life is to short to put up with that BS .;)
     
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  2. DMiller

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    I can relate to the 'Theatrical' productions of safety. Too busy being safe to be smart. Our one year safety manager of years ago mowed his grass with safety toe shoes, safety glasses, a hard hat, and ear muffs on so as to 'Present' a safety aspect to all in his community. Middle of August he passes out from all the garb on, fell back into the street in front of a passing car, narrowly missed. Hit the back of his head NOT the top as he fell, concussion, damage to one eye from the hat rolling into his safety glasses(was wearing a chin strap) as he hit scratched one cornea then he had to be hauled to hospital with Heat Prostration/Heat Exhaustion, all that while push mowing a 100' by 120' lot with a 1400sf home sitting on it. Stupid is as stupid does. He was PROMOTED to Safety Management at our Corporate Office and as far as I am aware is still there but is divorced, lives in a condo and does little outside work anymore.

    This is the same dumba-- that ran screaming into our parking lot as a drywall delivery truck was unloaded. The truck had the standard tractor seat rear of cab fork boom, operator was sitting in the seat wearing a seat belt while unloading. Safety man screamed he had to come down, had to be wearing a harness, had to have safety glasses, long trousers(was wearing shorts, again summertime), hearing protection and a Hard Hat. Truck was removed from lot, driver called his boss, company told him return with what product was still on truck. The plant had to send personnel TO the drywall company to receive sheets after that. NOBODY that sold bulk sheetrock would deliver from that day on. The sheetrock company explained to the safety man that DOT rules applied to the trucks, they want to apply extra rules that do not apply they can haul their own. Safety Dumba-- had no concept were different rules for different industry and he had GRADYATED from a college with a degree in safety, REALLY!
     
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  3. Welder Dave

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    Worked in a vessel shop where the new safety officer wanted the welders to take their welding helmets off and put on a hardhat to walk 50-100' to the rod oven to get more rods. After discussing it, they decided the welders didn't have to wear a hardhat when they went for more rods. Was watching a show on the building of a P&H mining shovel. They said they don't require the workers to wear hardhats because if anything fell on them a hardhat wasn't going to make a difference.

    The vessel also wanted to make it mandatory to always wear ear plugs. Normally not a bad idea but the foreman agreed with me when you're doing a root pass, weld test or something critical sound can be very important.
     
  4. check

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    I would insist that the dimwit wear NOMEX clothing next time he cuts his grass, after all, mowers have gas tanks and they could explode.

    To those who think we have a bad attitude:
    If companies would quit promoting safety managers with room temperature IQ's who are incapable of reasoning and allowing them to set policies and procedures perhaps these safety programs would have more credibility.
     
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  5. Birken Vogt

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    I have heard this reasoning before and I don't like it. The hard hat is not to protect you from a falling I-beam or whatever. It is to protect you from a rock or wrench that somebody left laying on the I-beam and now it is 40 feet overhead and gets dislodged and comes whistling down. I can't tell how many times I have seen that with logs or whatever. Sure the log will kill you dead but there is always a rock, stick, chunk of loose bark also waiting to get loose.

    And it is the small unnoticed things that fall much more often than the big thing that is held by hydraulics.
     
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  6. 92U 3406

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    I had a family member tell me that during a safety meeting, a supervisor did a safety share about repairing the block heater on his car at home. I guess he disconnected the battery to prevent getting shocked.
     
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  7. td25c

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    Agree .... My old employer Instilled both Fear and Confidence in us .

    We feared for our job at the first part of the speech but at the end walked out with the confidence to complete the task .

    Glen had a simple 3 day trial time on any new employee . After 3 day's He would either keep or send ya down the road . Man he could weed them out fast .:)

    Thanks for the education " Boss Glen " !
    He had just a little attitude . LOL !:D

    You mix up some attitude & positive thought in the work crew be surprised what can be accomplished pretty quick !:cool:
     
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    Yep... This^^^ In no way am I complacent about safety. Period. But these overpaid morons that want to dictate what we have to do to work... And usually get less done in a shift, need to get a job first. I worked in a vault under a booster pump station and the safety guy wanted me tied off with a harness and STEEL lanyard in case I had to be "pulled out", I had to weld under and over 8 pipes, I told him the steel lanyard was an electrocution hazard... Big blank stare. Finally they put a watch guy in the hole to hold the wire, sheesh.
     
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  9. DMiller

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    Over Edjycated Idgiots they be and will remain. I agree in that any, ANY college grad "Safety Qualified" person has to take a job In The Real World for at minimum two years before being able to spew the sh_t they do at a job site as a safety rep. That and qualify at no less than the second lowest position on the site before can be the safety rep. Many janitors are better schooled and better prepared as a safety person.
     
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    Hey Birken, Our safety rep had us MANDATED to wearing hard hats while walking the plant GROUNDS and switchyard, due to "Electrical Flash Potential" so we would not get burned. Yet the clerk staff walked between buildings at will without them as they were not operators so Not required, really!!
     
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    I was just going to say that. Most safety people have no clue how to do our jobs. The last safety girl we had was pretty decent though. She would actually put on coveralls and work alongside you for a bit so she could learn what was involved with the jobs we did.
     
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    Another thing that "burns" me (heh heh) is the mandated FR clothes at all times when working within 100 feet of a QO circuit breaker or some such nonsense. I am an outside company so I have to go by the site owners rules of course but I don't normally carry or have FR.

    When you are not working on any power of any consequence but you have to wear FR coveralls but nobody cares whether you wear a hard hat or any head covering nor a face shield. To me the danger of an arc flash is 99% hot substances impacting the face and head but the coveralls do nothing for that.
     
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    I still have my Fire Retarded clothes, the shirts will be grease rags when I service my equipment, the jeans, well at least they are Carhartt.

    We had to wear the FR stuff full long sleeves all through the plant EXCEPT when we did the radiologic areas then they issued FR Protective coveralls you could bake bread in.
     
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    I don't mind the FR coveralls. They aren't required at our shop but some customers require them at their jobsites. Actually don't notice any difference between FR and non-FR to be honest when it comes to comfort.
     
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    Forgot to mention ...... Knock off with the negative waves ! :D

    Brief message from Donald Sutherland / Odd Ball . LOL !

     
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    There wasn't any high work being done in the shop. The shop was very well laid out with marked walk ways and kept very clean.
     
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  17. td25c

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    Will drop a " Hard Hat " on when needed .... Not often .

    One draw back I notice from them is due to the brim on the hat ya loose a lot of " Peripheral Vision " that would signal you to get the hell out of the way of the way otherwise .......

    Same way with ear protection .
    You can bundle yourself up so tight with safety gear to the point ya wont know when to step off the train tracks .
     
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    I see you live in Alberta. I think if you worked in the Gulf of Mexico like I did, you would notice a big difference in comfort, especially in the summer when it hovers near 100f and humid every day. Even without FR clothing, wearing a hard hat and safety glasses makes work dangerous because scalp sweat fills the inside of the glasses with beads of sweat and you can't see. Physical exhaustion and heat strokes do affect safety, as so the encumbrance of safety gear when climbing, as they hinder balance and snag on things, causing your body to unexpectedly swing in an arc. But most of the safety geniuses are COMPLETELY OBLIVIOUS to these facts because they live in a world of policies and procedures and are incapable of reason. :)
     
  19. DMiller

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    And they sit in comfy offices only venturing outside when forced to, to 'Find' a safety violation to justify their existence.
     
  20. Dozerboy

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    Damn y’all should just start a screw Safety thread. Not sure how this went from a thread on getting guys involved in safety to its to dangerous to wear a hard hat and glasses because I’m sweating. That deserves a don’t be a pussy and get back to work.