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Deutz parts manual

Discussion in 'Generators/Gensets' started by James Sorochan, Jan 6, 2022.

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  1. James Sorochan

    James Sorochan Well-Known Member

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    Does anyone have access to this parts manual ? I need the speed sensor that goes into the flywheel housing. You can see it on the second picture. Does anyone know of any good dealers out there for Deutz. I tried an outfit up in Edmonton and it took a couple months to get a fuel return fitting that comes off the last injector line that goes back to tank. The engine is old.
    I had my buddy up in Calgary rebuild the engine and we are now putting a new control box on it to get set up properly with the speed sensor, belt sensor switch, temp sender from cylinder head etc.
     

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    Was that Simson-Maxwell?
     
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    James Sorochan Well-Known Member

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    56wrench. No, it was Polar Industrial service.
     
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    that's not a Deutz part, a 912 was all mechanical as far as I know, so the generator maker put the speed sensor there for generator purposes. Need to cross the numbers on the part, or go through generator parts to find that.
     
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    Any data plate info for who built the whole genset, or at least what governor and voltage regulator are installed? That speed sensor is going to be for maintaining/monitoring frequency. If you can't get the manufacturers PN for it, might have to dig a little deep and try to find the spec of what the controls want to see and try to match one to that.
     
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    Thanks for this Delmer and MarshallPowerGen. The generator is an old Stamford. I'll explain the story behind it. I bought two units last January from a guy that got them from a military base up here in Alberta. They are both Deutz air cooled with Stamford ends. Four and six cylinder engines with the four seized up. They are both sitting on top of 45 gallon oil tanks. I pulled the four banger off and had a buddy up in Calgary do the rebuild. Got it back together now. The original starters were 24 Volt and were shot so I picked up a couple new 12 volt ones. All the wires were cut and slashed to the control boxes when the military guys decommissioned them. I believe the units were destined for the scrap heap. I paid $1750.00 for the six cylinder and $600 for the four. I have zero experience with this kind of stuff. One of our customers that buys groceries out here at our farm store is an electrician that has some experience with gen sets so he's has been helping getting things sorted out. We have decided to get rid of the existing control box and start new with only the basics. I'm just helping and learning. The six cylinder unit has a good speed sensor but the four is toast. Not sure if we need the exact same sensor or if there are common alternatives available. Here are a couple pics.
     

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    Should make for interesting projects. I take it the tag on top corner of the restrap box is just the Stamford tag? Being military surplus, there should be some info or manuals out there online to at least get a wiring diagram from. Controls should be about as simple as it could get with those, and if any safeties/sensors are missing will mostly be figuring whether NC or NO is needed.

    As far as the speed sensor, they may be the same if the controls are similar and if both units have the same size SAE bellhousing (and hopefully flywheel), but it would come down the the flywheel tooth count if they were to read the same.

    I wouldn't jump straight to tossing the old control box unless you already have a plan what to replace/supplement it with. Would be worth getting it running on minimal controls and make sure it holds frequency and makes voltage.
     
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    It is an interesting project for sure amongst many here. When our friend the electrician checked it out he figured there was a bunch of unnecessary stuff there and everything was 24 volt. Since we are switching over to 12 volt we came to the conclusion to start from scratch. He has been working with a rewind outfit out of Lethbridge to source the components. Here is a pic of the plate. Thanks MarshallPowerGen.
     

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