Detroit 53 series

[RBMcCloskey]

Dynahoe Backhoe had GM Diesels, 140 thru 190 have 3-53, 190-4 & 490 have 4-53 and 200-4 have 4-71. The 290 and 490K have John Deere engines.

 

[RonG]

I worked for years at a plant that had a Trojan 4000 with an 8/53 in it.Talk about sound!!I don't have to tell you that you could hear the old girl for miles.Of course it was configured to run the hydraulic pump at the design RPM which required that that Detroit be cranked wide open to achieve that RPM which was music to a gearhead like me,even if I wasn't running it you could hear it from a long way off.I think it turned 2800.Ron G

 

[OCR]

2-53 that powers a hyd. pump on our drill fills... previously powered our irrigation pump.

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Used every year about this time...


OCR

 

[Jim D]

Detroit 16-184 and 16-338 four vertical banks of four cylinder two strokes. No blowers installed in the pic.

WWII USN engines. There was a good history page about Detroit Diesel at dieselduck.info, this is a picture, but the link is broken now. Also U-12 71inch engines, two 6-71 cranks side-by-side geared together. And horizontal 6-71s.

 

[old-iron-habit]

Detroit 16-184 and 16-338 four vertical banks of four cylinder two strokes. No blowers installed in the pic.

WWII USN engines. There was a good history page about Detroit Diesel at dieselduck.info, this is a picture, but the link is broken now. Also U-12 71inch engines, two 6-71 cranks side-by-side geared together. And horizontal 6-71s.

What a cool looking engine. I have owned a horizontal 6-71 and the U12-71s were quite common on pumps in offshore applications but the vertical Detroit shown is completely new to me. When you say 184 and 338, what do them numbers stand for? Certainly its not cubic inches per cylinder as in 53, 71, 92, and 110 is it. If so holy sh*t.

 

[kenh]

Yup, 184 ci/cyl. Link to a article on the engine:
https://oldmachinepress.wordpress.com/category/marine/

 

[old-iron-habit]

Yup, 184 ci/cyl. Link to a article on the engine:
https://oldmachinepress.wordpress.com/category/marine/

Thank you for that link. Bet they sounded cool. Now I want one! Sounds like the 184 was much better than the bigger displacement engine.

 

[kshansen]

Yup, 184 ci/cyl. Link to a article on the engine:
https://oldmachinepress.wordpress.com/category/marine/

Can only hope there are some of these in a museum somewhere, would love to see one!

 

[Nige]

English Electric had a slightly different take on making a compact engine for MTB propulsion unit but they went at it in a different way to EMD and succeeded in designing one with the crankshaft horizontal. Anyone ever seen one of these..? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3bj47TAYiU

Still active on the main line today hauling rail enthusiasts' specials - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGf94cMOu9s

 

[Jim D]

Yup, 184 ci/cyl. Link to a article on the engine:
https://oldmachinepress.wordpress.com/category/marine/

Old iron and kenh, that is the oldmachinepress article I was remembering... Thanks!

 

[Jim D]

English Electric had a slightly different take on making a compact engine for MTB propulsion unit but they went at it in a different way to EMD and succeeded in designing one with the crankshaft horizontal. Anyone ever seen one of these..? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3bj47TAYiU

Still active on the main line today hauling rail enthusiasts' specials - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGf94cMOu9s

Nige, Napier was something! The Saber, the Nomad and the Deltic. (Dagger and Rapier too). And British Internal Combustion Engine Research Association variable displacement diesel engines.

Fairbanks Morse built some opposed piston two stroke v-type engines, but the upper and lower pistons were not the same diameter; the upper were about one half the diameter of the lower pistons. The engine only had two crank shafts. The upper one, in the V, moved the upper pistons by rocker arms on top of the engine, to move the pistons on each bank of the 'V'. They were stationary engines, I guess; "1000/1250 horse power per cylinder @ 400/450 rpm"!

PS: http://modelenginenews.org/gallery/croft/eagle/index.html

 

[Brandt]

The submarine I was on had a Fairbanks - Morse opposed piston engine (as a back up to the reactor). I think it was an 8 cyl / 16 piston in line. I never saw it apart, I worked 2 levels up in the Navigation center. I do remember that pre- lubing it was a big deal. If I heard that the engine was going to be pre-lubed, I knew they were gonna run it. My job was to make sure that too much water didn't come in when we opened the air induction mast/snorkel.

 

[tctractors]

When I was at Collage we had a 9 pot Deltic engine to play with,1 task I had to do was remove the front gear chest exposing all the gears like a big Swiss Watch that linked all the drive ends to the common centre shaft, the gears I can recall had an untrue shine to them almost like stainless steel, on the front of the engine was a plate with some history of C.Napier and all the speed records held by the Napier engines, they seemed to cop the lot as there was Air, Land and Water speed records held for years.
tctractors

 

[Nige]

I recall as a youngster watching trains on the East Coast main line back in the 60's during steam's twilight years. When the Deltic DP-1 prototype first appeared on the main line the initial reaction was probably something like seeing the Space Shuttle for the first time .....

http://www.curbsideclassic.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/NapierDeltic1.jpg

 

[tctractors]

Thats the innards you see on the Deltic, the last time I looked at that lot it would have been 43 ish years ago, the engine had been pulled down so many times by students the nuts and studs all seemed worn out, we also had a Maybach (Spelling?) engine Ex Loco to play with, Voith and other Loco transmission units, this is well off topic now.
tctractors,
p.s. the 9 pot Deltic motor was I think 44 ltr in capacity, with the 18 pot = 88 ltr

 

[RonG]

What was the general torque pattern like head bolts etc for installing the cover and how long did it take?It would seem like a two man job at least.What a work of art,you have to love the challenge of timing such a beast.Thanks for sharing.Ron G

 

[Nige]

What amazes me is that the gear train is straight-cut gears and not helical. All things being equal you shouldn't be able to hear the noise of the engine over that whining of that lot ......

 

[kshansen]

What amazes me is that the gear train is straight-cut gears and not helical. All things being equal you shouldn't be able to hear the noise of the engine over that whining of that lot ......

And I thought a Cat D346 had a lot of gears! What with the dual cam drives, one up each end of the engine, and the balance gears!

 

[Nige]

I just came across this clip taken 3 weeks ago of a Deltic. Turn the sound right up and fast forward to 2:53 then listen to the sound of a "spirited" departure from Doncaster accompanied by the usual clouds of 2-stroke exhaust smoke......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjm6mm56-aI

 

[RonG]

Wow.....keeps the skeeters under control)Ron G