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Choosing pushcat size

Discussion in 'Scrapers' started by kola0080, Feb 23, 2018.

  1. kola0080

    kola0080 New Member

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    Our company is relative new to this stuff... trying to settle a debate on the proper size of dozer for pushing through the cut. We are running 35 yd pans being pulled by 745s - material is fat clays and sandy clays. Are most people running D9s or larger, or anyone running D8s. If so, why and when would you run a D8?
     
  2. d9gdon

    d9gdon Senior Member

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    That data is all in the Cat Performance Handbook for their lines of scrapers.

    I've never ran scrapers pulled by ADT's but regular wheel tractor scrapers like a 631 are mated to a D9. A D10 or two D9's in tandem will load them even better and get you closer to maximum productivity.

    That fat clay can be jammed in there to make such a load that the scraper can't unload evenly and/or takes forever to unload. There is a point of diminishing returns when bulking it out. Experience will dictate how long to stay in the cut. One D9 can load a 631 but two of them will pack it in and compress it more so that you're not hauling a fluffy load.

    My answer to the D8 is yes, it will load them but take much longer and may not even get a full load. If you have a D8 anyway and don't want to pay for bringing anything bigger in there for the economic side of the equation, then yeah it will work but performance will suffer. Just a trade off.
     
  3. ShaneK

    ShaneK Well-Known Member

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    Is there a reason why you need to push-load the scraper? Wet conditions or ground too hard? Most brands of ADT Scrapers would have no problem quickly self-loading a bowl of standard clay/sand mix.
     
  4. TrackShovel

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    For equivalent size scrapers (cat 631’s) we would use D10’s with pushblocks and sometimes run in tandem if our D9L equipped with rear “stinger” was onsite.
    We would use a D8 for loading only if we didn’t have anything larger. We would also use a D7 or D8 on extremely soft jobs or when opening a new borrow pit to push the scrapers back empty to the push cat.
     
  5. old-iron-habit

    old-iron-habit Senior Member

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    Just don't get crazy and push with 2 bigger dozers if the front one has a normal trunnion mounted blade. A hard pushing back D8 will add enough force to the dozer arms on the front machine that you will bend the dead axles out on the front machine. There was a reason they used bush blocks or inside mounted blade and rear push blocks on all but the rear push Cat. They were designed to transmit the energy thru the frame.
     
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