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CASE Dancing Diggers in England!!

Discussion in 'Tractor/Loader/Backhoes' started by Nick Drew, Feb 26, 2007.

  1. atgreene

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    The pictures are nice, a unique way to showcase a piece of equipment.

    I see it as about like a knife throwing demostration at the circus though. Fun to watch, but I'm not about to strap a poor young lady to a spinny wheel and throw my leatherman at her.

    Either way guys, lets not get our panties in a bunch over something so trivial. Just because digger has a bad opinion :p (couldn't resist) and Nick has a short fuse (anyone got a light):D , doesn't mean we can't discuss this like adults.

    Post-on boys.:)
     
  2. d4c24a

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    hmmm

    i like the pictures and have no beef with what you do but
    quote the case is far superior in every respect:confused: now how can that front bucket control be called superior ,return to dig that you cannot turn off,so when trying to clear up off of nice cut grass with the jcb i leave an tiny little line to shovel in with this no chance doing three things a once with one lever and then it goes into retun to dig and the clam cant shut as fast as the bucket curls back,the jcb has a switch on /off simple and easyrear levers far to low i have the seat right up and as far back as it will go and my hands hit my knees especialy when my foot is on the extenderdig pedal maybe
    its not for tall people
    do get me wrong its a nice machine but give me a 3cx contractor any day:notworthy
     

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  3. Nick Drew

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    Well I think I have outstayed my welcome here at HEF!!

    I got flack about my Side loading of a PC450-7 in another thread and I have had grief here in the dancing digger thread, and now am accused of havng a short fuse??

    I simply don't need this !!

    You all have great time...Goodnight:waving I'm outta here
     
  4. digger242j

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    :cool2
     
  5. coopers

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    HAHA. I think this post has become ridiculously childish. Life isn't always the way you want it to be. You post your pictures on here, you'll get people who love them and others that question them or are blunt enough to say they just don't care about the nature of the photos (like me). WHO CARES!! Grow up and stop complaining like little freakin' kids!

    Blake
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  6. radd16

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    pictures

    coopers your correct,

    Just enjoy what others are willing to share. I think the pics are great and can't wait to see more. :D
     
  7. tone_rmz

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    going back to the case jcb discusion! i have a servo lever case which i find very comfortable to drive i dont no no if you have tried the servo model but the 2 pods move totally away from the drivers seat to leave plenty of room for your knees, when you spin around in your seat. also it has the extendo control on 2 buttons on the right hand joystick which is nice so you can streach out quite nicely which you cant do in the standard lever models! i must admit i have no prob with my 4 in 1 clam, i do like the fact that you can do everything on that one lever i find if you dont pull your lever over to hard to the left you can avoid the return to dig cutting in! like you say i can leave very minimal amounts of material on the ground just a very thin line! i guess it depends what machine you have bin used to!!!!!!!!! drivers tend to get attached to 1 type of machine i think! i had a play with a new volvo 180 the other day which i found to be a brilliant machine lotsa little extras on there to make the drivers job alot easier. will be keen to have 1 on demo soon!
     
  8. d4c24a

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    servos

    we have an owner operator on the same job and he has a lb110 with servos,he does not rate them ,i also know of an jcb 4cx owner op with servos and his is going back they cant get the servos right ,as for the Volvo i sat in one at the sed and did not like it,i was sat too low and my head was nearly touching the back window(with it open :D ) maybe the front bucket control on the case will loosen up with use and be easier to to use , i would still rather have two levers and be able to switch return to dig off,the best front bucket controls i have used were on a 1986 MF50h it also had a good transmission but the back end was made of chocolate i will dig a picture of it out

    i would still take a jcb over the case
     
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  9. Dusty

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    i like the pics
     
  10. musclegirl

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    What they do with their machines is great and i don't understand the negative comments.I think it's hardly trained professional stuff.
    But maybe more input from tone rmz would have been much appreciated as he is the one doing the shows discussed here.
     
  11. digger242j

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    I'm sure I'd be enthralled to watch one of their performances too.

    What I don't understand is how any of the discussion in this thread can be interpreted as "negative comments." Sure, there were a couple of, "UH, ok...nice, but that's not my cup of tea" sort of comments, and several members that posed sincere questions about safety and mechanical issues. If anyone cares to point out specific and unquestionably "negative" comments, I'd be interested to see that. :beatsme
     
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    I agree digger, it's a shame that the thread went off the rails :( :eek: :confused:
    I enjoyed Nick's input and great photos and hope that we see him here again.
     
  13. MKTEF

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    safety discussion maybee?

    I agree with both of u on the last one.
    Regarding Nick i think it's what's said between the lines, not only in this thread, but also on the other one regarding his loading/unloading of the exc.:IMO

    Then i think that this discusion is a bit deeper than so.;)
    I've worked with Brittish operators in Iraq, and i think they also got a way to go in their mind regarding safety.:yup
    I am then thinking of the way the operators think and act when operating equipment. I don't think that they are as safety minded as you are in the US.
    I also think this has to do with age.
    The older, the less safety focused.(and for many it is more difficult to change happits/oppinion when getting old)

    Then safety and the discussion around this is a little "problematic", many see it as you look down on them and say's negative things on how good they are at operating the equipment. For many this becomes touchy.:exactly
    I don't say this is the reason for Nick's disapereance, but it is something to think about.
    Especialy when discussing with "elderly" operators, with a different culture than your own.

    I don't say that this is especialy for UK, we got the same thing here in Norway. Many drive and do the same as they did in the 70's and 80's, with no improvements on the safety side.
    But many firms (and the authorothies) are working on improwing this because of all the accidents that happends.

    You might show up on a new job: Can u drive a mobilcrane? Yes. OK, take that one a go to xx and do the job there.(the crane is an example)
    The education and training can be none and close to zero in many firms.
    Then accidents tends to happend, because nobody has evaluated the nessecity of training and how much before u can operate on your own.
    Your safety meetings is rearly hold, but here the maincontractor runs a course, that everybodys got to attend, to keep his butt free if something happends.

    But, as u have seen, i note down (in my brain harddisc) all the comments and think on how to improve our way of doing things in my job. Instead of taking it personaly.(beeing openminded to improvements, of how thing can be done)
    And i mean everybody should think that way, cause its the only way to improve yourself.

    And u always have to remember; we are on the net, everybody can say what they mean, and that can be a pain in the *** sometimes.:naughty
     
  14. digger242j

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    I've never had the priveldge of operating anywhere outside about a 50 mile radius of where I'm sitting right now, so I can't really comment on the safety habits of any other countries or people.

    I can't agree with that, at least not 100%.

    I think as I've gotten older, I've become more safety conscious. Certainly, there are some things in which I've become set in my ways, but on the whole, I think it's a matter of having seen too many ways in which people can get hurt. When you're young, you believe you're indestructable. As you age, you learn more and more each day that you're not. I know now that some of my habits of years past, were in fact, chipping away at me a little bit at a time. These days, I try to avoid those old habits, and even moreso, try to avoid finishing my self destruction all at once.

    I think that change in atitude extends to how I look at others as well. I recall very specifically times in my youth when I'd look at somebody doing things in accordance with the safety standards, and think, "what a wimp!" Some maturity has beaten that mindset out of me.

    The cemetaries are full of tough guys.
     
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    Now we are talking here digger!:)

    It is not everybody that thinks the way u do.
    And have tought over it, like u seem to have done.
    Many grow into old habbits, and when u ask why, they feel uncomfortable.

    And u should also know that i am pushing a bit here, to get the discusson going.:drinkup
     
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    You know, part of it too, is that I think I'm better educated than I was as a young man. When I was learning this trade, it was simply assumed that a guy would go into a 12 foot deep trench to lay pipe, and never think twice about the fact that there was no shoring. It's simply what you did. It was no safer then than it is now, but I didn't know how unsafe it could be. Now that I know, it's a whole lot scarier to think of.

    I'm not trying to present myself as any sort of safety fanatic either, because I'd have to admit that I'm not. (I don't believe there's any such thing as absolute safety--from the time you crawl out from under your bed every morning, you've compromised some degree of safety. It's just a question of how much you're willing to compromise.) The difference is that now, in taking the sort of calculated risks that we take in doing anything at all, I'm much more inclined to figure in a higher quantity of risk, because now I actually know that those risks are real.
     
  17. CM1995

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    OK Blake I agree with you.
    Nick come on buddy lighten up. If I left the forum every time someone picked apart my post I would have been gone a long time ago. Me and Diggers argument about drain pipe - (yes I know I have not posted my drawing yet - problems with the scanner software:Banghead , but I am working on it and I have not forgotten.) Oh and don't forget the union vs nonunion discusion where me and surfer-joe locked horns. But that is what this formum is about. You can learn alot from other folks who have another/different opinion of things. Me personally I think the dancing backhoes are pretty cool - showmanship stuff. I hope to see them one day! :thumbsup But I will be honest I wouldn't ride an ATV underneath them!:eek: But that's just me.
     
  18. Ross

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    Ide be more worried about suicide car bombs TBH.

    I think you guys are opening a can of worms here. UK, one of the safest country's in the world.(Excluding the recent suicide bombing attempts) I have a thousand reasons why but I think it would be in good taste not to mention them at this time.

    These guys are top draw operators. I mean, Just look at how they have total control over there equipment. How many people on here can say they could do this? This kind of skill will feedback through the whole system.

    That's for sure. I seen a guy do this at Diggerland. I was Very nervy during the show, And yeah I wouldn't ride the Quad bike under the machines either.

    Ross
     
  19. atgreene

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    It does fly in the face of every safe equipment opearation I have ever been taught. Never trust hydraulics to hold anything above you. It's just a standard safety rule to live by.

    But, to each his own, as long as others don't emulate those actions at home thinking that is how you prove that you're an equipment operator. Let common scense prevail, in the field and here on the boards.
     
  20. LowBoy

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    I liken this type of entertainment, the "sport of forum dwelling", to a buffet.
    You may like some things, dislike others. Just take what you want and process that as you normally would, and dispose of the unwanted or rather,"unneeded".
    There are many varied opinions, that's what makes the world go 'round. As I age, I learned to accept the things I cannot change. therefore, if someone is being a flaming you-know-what...all I have to do is decide to not respond. that's it...simple math. I've held back (and will have to continue to do so,) a number of times already right here on HEF's from starting a non-sensible discussion based on differences of opinion. But as the old saying goes, "Opinions are like A******S, everybody's got one".
    I left another forum just as Nick just did a few months ago, basically over the same concept, except my reasons were legitimate. Those knotheads on that site were just plain neanderthals, and couldn't form an entire sentence unless it was sarcastic. I don't see that here, otherwise I'd be on my way a long time ago. we are here to share information, experience, and joke around a whole lot, and that's a great way to pass the time in my view. There's no need to over-analyze anybody's threads, it's what they said, and if they didn't mean it, then that's what the "EDIT" button is for...
    I'm sorry I butted in on your thread gentlemen, just wanted to add another perspective. Tell me to shut up, and I'll "respond" respectively.:drinkup