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Buying red diesel

Discussion in 'General Industry Questions' started by bdog1234, Nov 10, 2022.

  1. colson04

    colson04 Senior Member

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    We have 2000 gallons of off road diesel storage at our farm, and 500 gallons of road diesel for our trucks. Never fails, there is always that one new guy that pulls up to fuel his truck for the day and uses the off road diesel. To be honest, we've never pumped it out when it happens, and we've never had our tanks dipped the couple times we've been stopped by DOT either. It doesn't happen daily, but a couple times a year, someone does it.
     
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    Nowhere in that does it say anything about fuel. I don't see DOT showing up at your job site dipping tanks on excavators.

    I run diesel all the time in my torpedo heater, never had kerosene in them, they can be adjusted if the mixture is off since not everyone lives at the factory settings altitude.
     
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  3. DMiller

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    Once used down to negligible in a truck tank red dye does dissipate to next to not detectable, HOWEVER, it is when a Commercial shop does maintenance and fuel filters have red dyed fabric or paper they are "Supposed" to report, good luck to the State officials in that.
     
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  4. Birken Vogt

    Birken Vogt Charter Member

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    I used to run diesel in a torpedo but it did not like it very well. Strange burning and the spark plug built up a stalactite over time. I added a cup or two of gasoline to the mix and it burned very clean after that. I always did it in the closed shop but it was drafty and doors always up and down. Not sure I would run one it a tight shop, too stinky.
     
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  5. 77Ford

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    In Missouri you can buy red fuel but they only remove the federal part of the tax and you have to apply for a refund for the state (or vice versa). So you save about 24 cents a gallon I think. They have it pumps at the stations no questions asked.
     
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  6. bdog1234

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    I am not saying you can’t use red in heavy equipment I know you can what I am saying is when you buy it I don’t think you can say it is farm use or use your AG number to buy it if it clearly isn’t used for the listed qualified AG purposes.

    Some people farm and buy thousands of gallons of red diesel for their tractors and I am sure they fill up their heavy equipment with it from time to time as well and that is probably ok.

    What I am saying is if a person isn’t a farmer or rancher at all and does nothing ag related and just owns and operates heavy equipment I don’t think they want to be filling out the paperwork claiming they are a farmer and the fuel is for ag purposes. There has to be some other legal way to get it without fraudulently claiming to be a farmer.
     
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  7. aighead

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    Interesting Birken, thanks. Maybe I'll try diesel with some gas (literally a cup or two?). I'm definitely worried about fumes and soot, but I also have some drafts and I have a pretty nice little exhaust fan waiting for me to put somewhere for this very experiment, I've just been hesitant to cut any holes in the side of my house. I may be able to jam the fan in a window temporarily.
     
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    Download AP-197 form from https://comptroller.texas.gov and turn that in.
     
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    From what I read all that says farms are not required to pay sales tax on anything .
    So you can buy and use red diesel and pay sales tax, but I would make a phone call to be sure.
    Bad Bob.
     
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  10. Delmer

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    I suppose the federal tax is what you can claim back if you burn taxed fuel for farm use. State tax would be separate, and the state sets the laws, so farm might be exempt, and off road construction might pay state tax.
     
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    You're probably burning a couple thousand litres a month, it'd definitely add up.
     
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    Stealing that! Thanks!
     
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    A truck that has farm use on the side could have a dead hooker strapped to the hood drive straight through town hitting every parked car and flip off the sheriff on the way out, everyone would just wave.
     
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    Kerosene tends to burn cleaner in a torpedo heater than #2 diesel yes they can be tuned and adjusted and you really should make sure its running the best it can if its running inside for any amount of time it seems maybe the ulsd diesel doesn't smell as bad as the old days either way it pumps a lot of fumes and will kill you

    Where you really need kerosene is when you pull the torpedo heater out of the service truck at -35f and hope that it will light
     
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    Prefer K1 to Diesel in fuel heaters, much cleaner. Kind of like Dual Fuel Coleman lanterns, will make light on Gasoline, work abundantly better on White Gas Coleman fuel, or VN Era M35 Deuce and Halfs with that multifuel burn anything so long as blended to the cheat sheets, would ALMOST get out of its own way on mix of Gear Oil, Hyd or Trans Oil with a minimal amount of Diesel and Gas. All were basic same design, Continental, Hercules or White engines.
     
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    Aaaaannnddd this is why I didn't put any diesel in there yet... A million different responses! I love it and trust them all but unfortunately for my wallet tend to lean towards the not suffocating side of things.

    Thanks, as always, guys.
     
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    Say it ain't so.
     
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    To heck with the gas prices, nice old Kenworth though.:)

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    And gad under a quarter!
     
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    I would just put kero in it if you can, the only reason I put diesel in it was because that is what I had at the time. But with the gas mixed in and shop closed up I did not notice any abnormal fumes and I am still around to talk about it.
     
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