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Buying older dump

Discussion in 'Trucks' started by suladas, Mar 30, 2019.

  1. suladas

    suladas Well-Known Member

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    We don't have that many hills here and most of my moves are in the city, but right now i'm pulling it with 330hp with a 6 speed allison and I know it's pushing the truck right to the limits. I know a standard will have more power, but i'd be scared of killing a 20 year old 300hp motor trying to pull that much weight. Old truck was a 1989 INT with the 400 Cummins and had about 600k miles on it and even just at 50,000lbs it was enough for that truck, the motor was tired. I don't care how fast it moves it, I just don't want something that i'm going to kill in short order pulling the hoe.

    Again maybe i'm just scared of old trucks, but i'm worried about trying to drill into a old frame like that and throw on a hitch and stress it in new ways. The old INT was a double frame and it was cracked and splitting in numerous places. Plus i'd rather just put that extra money into the purchase price, if i'm only spending $15k an extra say $3k goes a long ways. It cost me about $1200 for parts and labour alone just to run air lines for my trailer, the trolley lever and trailer button was already there.
     
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    Yea there's been a few times I didn't know if the truck was going to make it up the hill, crawling up in 1st barely moving. It sure makes the engine work, even at -20 the fan will kick in. There's a few hills I try to get a good run at but still drop from 65 mph to about 25 mph.

    Well it's also for price. The 10-15 year old trucks that are nice and the last of the pre-emissions in an auto are worth a fortune. And if i'm only spending $20k or less i'm fine with a standard as I won't bother hiring it out, and less costs to deal with.
     
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    I do agree with that. I'd rather the old truck buy it with cash and just use it when I need it and not waste my time hiring it out, it doesn't make much money anyway.
     
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    Funny enough, the guy I use for all my trucking has 5 pretty much new kenworths and subs out the rest. Every single time i've had a truck break down it's an old one. Last one turbo blew, others like box won't go down, etc. But i'm also being unfair in the sense that one these old trucks are running pretty much everyday so it's going to happen, and some just aren't looked after. I will admit though I do prefer the newer trucks for the most part except for a few of the good old ones. Many of the old ones have bad drivers, small boxes, can't get into as tight of areas, etc. But if it's a good old truck, I don't care about age at all. The only time I specifically say I need new trucks hauling is when i'm dealing with road bans, because most can legally haul around 2-3 tons more so it makes a big difference.

    Yea it depends on the customer. I find some appreciate old iron that is looked after, some want new and shiny. But a lot of people seem to be wising up and realize the best stuff is what is paid for. My stuff is kind of in the middle, oldest equipment is 2007, newest is 2013. It sure feels better running it when it's paid for though. When my mini hoe was having electrical issues I was looking hard at buying a new one, toughed it out got it fixed and since I made the last payment I like it so much more and will not get rid of it until it is completely worn out, or not worth fixing.

    I am leaning towards old and paying cash. If next year is busy I want to expand and buy at least 2-3 more pieces of equipment and buying a cheaper dump will help a lot.
     
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    Here's one i've been looking at, it's been for sales at least 3 months though, seems odd it would be up for so long as it seems pretty cheap to me? I was going to take a look just to see, but it's 3 hours a way so not quite as easy to look at. Things that I like are the rims changed from the old style, ready to pull trailer on air, electric tarp, etc. Looks in decent shape for the age.

    https://www.kijiji.ca/v-heavy-equipment-machinery/calgary/ford-9000-phone-403-660-4436/1440047626
     
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    The drawback stares at you from the back, Air Ride, old Tractor converted to dump. First item to look for, an air bag dump system so that when use the bed to dump, the Air Ride is already down on stops, not there and a lay over looking for a place to happen. Check the frame as likely single rail not reinforced.
     
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    Interesting, I had no idea from looking it was a tractor. I actually figured the air ride was a plus but partly just me being lazy it's nice for unhooking the trailer with the hoe on, and easier to load with small equipment. I figured all trucks with air suspension would have a dump switch? If it's not double frame it should be reinforced where there is a lot of stress from the dump box right?
     
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    One would at least hope so. A visual inspect would be in order.
     
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    Ok. Wish it was closer to have a look. I think buying something of that age it would be a good investment to have a shop spend a least a few hours looking it over.

    Provided the frame was not an issue and an inspection checked out, it would seem like a pretty good deal, no? $15k sure doesn't buy much here. And i'd gladly pay a bit more privately then auction when at least I can drive it and take it to be looked at.
     
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    :D..No doubt!

    Take what you win, run what your brung!
     
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    Could be worth the money
    Would still pay someone close to it to go give it a look first
    Money well spent
     
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    My old 1994 9400 works great for me. Not saying I pull heavy but my equipment includes a 973 cat and 200 komatsu hoe and I don't own a lowboy.
    If I were to put another truck together I would look at single axles and buy a set of cutoff to make it a tandem. SA seem to be cheaper and not as beat but I'm almost 60 and this IH will probably be my last truck.
     
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    gwhammy, Are you saying you haul your 973 on a tag trailer behind a dump truck? I might be wrong but I'm pretty sure if I tried that around here that the DOT would have me pulled over immediately. In your post you didn't actually say this but since this is a dump truck thread i was assuming that's what you were saying.
     
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    Not seen much in the way of a 30 ton tag along trailer myself, a 973 would lean out to around 54K IIRC.
     
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    I'm not saying I haul this but it is legal with a heavy haul permit as I read the laws. I do have a triple axle air ride pintle hitch trailer I pull.

    I actually do a lot of farm work close to my house and will drive the loader a couple miles down the shoulder of the highway and down gravel roads. Poor people have poor ways!!
     
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    The only reason I was questioning is years ago I worked for a guy that had a 973. He had a 3 axle lowboy and a regular 3 axle tractor. He was constantly calling the dot to get permitted to move it and even had to have an escort on some roads. I realize different states have different laws. The way the DOT have been around here lately they would probably pull you over with a D2 on the trailer. LOL
     
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    Well I need to find a truck ASAP now. Maxxforce POS is in the shop, either head damage or headgasket...... Definitely listening to the good advice here of not going close to one, the thing only has 75,000 miles on it.....

    Anyways here's a few trucks i'm looking at.
    Leaning towards this one if it checks out. Looks like old plow truck which isn't ideal though https://www.kijiji.ca/v-heavy-truck...ck/1452175707?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true

    Concern I have with this one is according to my search this engine could only be max 350hp which isn't a lot but it has a 18 speed? Seems really odd to have such a small motor with a 18 speed, owner says they've had it since it was 3 years old and nothing has been changed. https://www.kijiji.ca/v-heavy-truck...ck/1451330234?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true

    Getting pretty old I think? But like the idea of having an inframe done. https://www.kijiji.ca/v-heavy-truck...ck/1451260087?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true

    Lots of work done, but not sure that's always good. https://www.kijiji.ca/v-heavy-truck...ck/1435611194?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true

    Seems decent? https://www.kijiji.ca/v-heavy-truck...ar/1423907418?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true

    Not super interested in this, it's someone who buys from auction and flips so obviously knows nothing about it and just trying to make a buck, but kind of give me an idea of worth on others. https://www.kijiji.ca/v-heavy-truck...ed/1444458863?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true

    Don't want to rush a purchase, but would like to get something right away. What truck would you guys say looks like a good buy, if any? Obviously provided it runs/drives like it looks, etc. Would prefer the cheaper end at under $15k, but if I have to spend $20k for something decent I will.
     
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    Whichever machine you get to interest enough to spend money on, even as you would have to pay up front have the seller take it to a reputable shop close by for evaluation. Money well spent to keep from having a large Lawn ornament arrive at the house.

    I really do not get the exposed lift cylinder no cab guard beds. Asking for problems.
     
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    For sure. As far as engine/make/year does anyone stick out to be a lot better?
    I find it odd how different places do things so different. No one runs can guards here, some beds the cylinder is kind of tucked in but not the majority.
     
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    3406 was pretty bullet proof, I did not get into the E series too far before bailed on mechanic work, C series no ideas really but heard good of them, the DD 60 series seem to have their plusses and minuses as all do where any of these engines are EXPENSIVE for a full overhaul and a light in frame refresh is hardly worth the effort. Cummins up to the N11s I had little issues with, long duration pretty well sledgehammer engines. More gears the better the options on grades, locker differentials likely Meritor, have been in one that failed but managed to limp it close to 150 miles get a load off and back to a shop, kind of handy in the muck but can grenade as any can. Look for Hendrickson or some form of beam suspension between axles, more durable, less shock to the system in crossing rough country.