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Bought a new tilt bed 9999lb. gvw

Discussion in 'Trailers' started by atgreene, Apr 26, 2006.

  1. ctkiteboarding

    ctkiteboarding Senior Member

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    im inbetween on these two trailers, i was leaning towards a 18' long 102'wide tilt with power up/ power down , 12kgvw d-rated to 10k for the non cdl crew, cost is 7k which is steep,,,,

    now the deck over beaver tail w similar specs is 2 k less ,

    my 12t beaver tail has been a loyal worker for many yrs,, i have a single axle tilt that i like loading but it's not deck over??? more research
     
  2. atgreene

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    Junk!!!!


    Well the trailer sat all winter, and as part of my spring cleaning and tune-up, I brought it in the shop to check it out and fix the bad spot in the wiring.

    There were 3!

    Here's some pics, CAM SUPERLINE IS JUNK!!!! The final 2 are my repair. Marine grade sheilded 12 gauge tinned wire ecased in loom and heat shrinked with grease filled connections.

    A new trailer delivered in October and here I am rewiring it in March after it sat for 3 of the last 6 months. WTF!

    Real quality!
     

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  3. atgreene

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    And to top it off, I went to grease the tilt point, the grease fitting fell out. It was one of those cheap push-in types, not threaded, so I fixed that while I was at it. Talk about JUNK!:mad:

    Never again, Cam can kiss my AXX! I told the dealership today that they needed to call Cam and give them a message. I can't repeat it here, but needless to say I will never deal with those dips&^ts again.
     

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  4. CT18fireman

    CT18fireman Senior Member

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    Is the u-bolt rubbing the frame there during axle movement?

    I had to rewire a landscape that I bought used 7 years ago. It is the worst treated trailer I have, and yet the heat shrunk wires have held. If there is a lighting problem on it, always turns out to be a bad bulb.
     
  5. atgreene

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    Yes, the U-Bolts are rubbing the frame on one side, yet they ran the wires in that grove that the U-bolts go into when the springs compress.:Banghead

    I think the word I'm looking for here is MORONS!
     
  6. nedly05

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    HOLY CRAP! this story is a nightmare, we are looking at replacing our 20 ton but it won't be with a CAM. Sorry to hear about this mess...(nice looking job on the re-wire:thumbsup)
     
  7. N.B.CONCRETE

    N.B.CONCRETE Well-Known Member

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    Man has their quality gone down. I cant believe the rust and missing paint. :eek: I'm going to lift my trailer over and check it out after the snow passes.
     
  8. 2004F550

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    man, I can't believe the problems with Cam now, time to investigate our two trailers I suppose.
     
  9. atgreene

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    If you have a tilt deck Cam, CHECK THE WIRES FOR THE FRONT AXLE BRAKES! Make sure they haven't been pinched-off like mine have. I find it hard to believe that I'm the only one.

    I showed my dealer the pieces of wire and got a shrug out of him. Apparently my 2 year warranty really isn't a warranty. I would say Cam is just hoping I'll go away at this point. I'm thinking that I may need to poke this hornets nest again and see what the States Attorney General's Office says about this as being eligible for the Lemon Law. At least get compensated for fixing their screw-up, as the dealer didn't even offer.

    At some point I'm going to write them another letter, but at this point I'm to PO'd to do a good job on it. When I do, I'll be sure to share it.
     
  10. 2004F550

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    yea they are tilts, one is a 6 ton full and the other is a 7 ton split
     
  11. cat320

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    I have there dump and i know all to well the push in greas fittings.junk
    It's funny but my trailer will hold 8K lbs so logic would sugest that i could put an 8k lb machine in there right . but when i look at the 4 tie downs they are the lowest weight capacity ones they make.
     
  12. atgreene

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    It wasn't special built, but I did go with a bunch of options, split deck, heavier axles, LED's etc.... Paid enough to get a nice trailer, I thought. For $7000, I would have expected a bit better trailer. If I was buying low ball and bought the cheapest I could find, I could understand having issues.:Banghead

    Live and learn.
     
  13. CT18fireman

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    What I have learned from this is that the next time I buy a new trailer (maybe this year) I will be doing a really good inspection just like other equipment. I am guilty of not usually doing this. Last time I bought a new trailer from a dealer, I made sure the number matched the title, it was the right size and th lights worked before towing it away.

    Next time I will do a complete inspection like I would on a piece of equipment. I will want them to pull the tires to look at the brakes, check the wiring and welds. I may even bring a piece of equipment down and make them load in on to see that it handles it before I take possession. If they don't like it they don't get the sale.

    This whole story just sucks.
     
  14. imjustdave

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    I understand that wires shouldnt' be pinched and what not,:mad: But you actaully have rings for the wires that seems impressive...my trailer they just slipped the wires between rails and the timbers I drive on... but your bitching about pushed in greese fittings. :confused: I bet that bolt comes from the spring manufacture and they use and or spec the pushed in greese fitting. As to the paint... did they ever tell you it was painted on the under side? Mine isnt' painted and I don't think many if any manufactures do this, I know you have had issues with the ramp bending, and in general they haven't built what you wanted totally but at least they have tried.

    I would take a poll, of others on this list with small light bumper pull style trailers I bet most, have pushed in greese fittings, issues with wireing, and no paint on the underside. Not that this is right, but more of the norm.

    I think the issue is more with the Sales people then the manufacture. IF you told them exactly what you wanted, I think the sales guy just pushed you towards a trailer that would work, but not the correct one, for you.

    you have asked a lot of them too.
    They fixed the weight tag for you 10,000K trailer sticker on a higher capasity buit trailer. I trully still don't understand what good this does.
    They have atempted to fix the trailer tail.


    I think you have to remember, this is a 5 ton utilty triailer, more then likely built to last about 3 years comercialy, and 15 years sitting and getting used on the weekends. And more then likely it was built and designed to haul a nice car from show to show, not parked in some gravel road, loaded up with a dirty machine and hauled to the next job, to be unloaded on some weird angle again. I bet your the only guy in 20 trailers that actually has a grease gun let alone tried to grese it.


    I'm not trying to start a flame war, trailers in general are **** porly made, I supose I have just learned to deal with my trilers short comings.
     
  15. ctkiteboarding

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    i can't disagree more ,,this is a 7k purchase ,,, it should be built correctly and with reasonable though ,, it seems cam has not done this ,

    i was close to a cam tilt and now will take my 7k to someone else,,,,

    3 yrs commercial life span?? again reasonable thought should keep that piece of equipment in working order for years ,,, d rating a trailer is common practice ,, mostly to skirt the cdl and the unlikely chance of a PITA cop,,,, just my opinion

    i do agree the shop who sold it sucks
     
  16. CT18fireman

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    A trailer like that really should last forever. No motor or anything. Just service items, bearings, brakes, lights, tires. Maybe a new wood flor in 4-5 years. The steel if properly cared for should last for longer then 3 years even with commercial use.

    I am so tired of manufacturers looking for commercial sales and then when you use it commerically they turn around and say it was not made for that.
     
  17. Countryboy

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    In reference to imjustdave's comment:

    I got a cheapo tandem trailer to pull behind my Nissan. I pull the 4 wheeler, lawn mower and a little scrap metal every now and then.

    I paid $900 for it with "may pops" for tires. Its painted underneath, never had a wiring problem and came with screw in fittings. It also came with "Bearing Buddies" from the factory. Its got (2) 3500# axles and has pulled 11,000# once or twice :cool2 .

    My point is, this is a CHEAPO....... and its made better than that Cam trailer was. Are we supposed to hope for the best when buying a trailer? No, a trailer is another pice of equipment just like skidsteers and excavators. They make you money, when they break they cost you money. There is nothing complicated about a trailer as has been said above.

    Sales problem instead of manufactor??? Who do you think made them an authorized dealer, the MANUFACTURER. It all goes back to the manufacturer. If there is a problem with the dealer then the manufacturer shoulda stepped up to the plate, as it seems they have been given many chances.

    The dealer/manufacturer is there to please. You should be able to ask for whatever you want. I'm a big customer service person and I've been in that profession before. "The customer is always right" might not always hold true but "The customer has an opinion that should be RESPECTED" will always hold true and should be upheld in the strictest sense.

    My question to you.......Why is my cheapo trailer better than his commercial trailer? It was made cheap but it was made RIGHT.
     
  18. jmac

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    Well said Country Boy. A trailer is just some steel welded together. You would think that if we can have HYBRID excavators we should be able to get a trailer wired rite.
     
  19. atgreene

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    :confused:

    Maybe I wasn't clear, so here goes.

    There were no rings for the wires to hold them from being pinched.

    The push-in grease fittings were on the tilt points, not the springs.

    I never complained about the paint under the trailer, THE D RINGS ON THE SIDE OF THE TRAILER WERE NOT MOVED WHEN PAINTED. They sprayed right over them, when I got the trailer the D-ring's were un painted on one side and the place on the SIDE of the trailer where they were sitting was unpainted in the shape of a D-ring.

    I guess I should have just expected the tilt deck to not tilt because it was misalligned and the fenders that nearly rubbed on the right side tires because the fenders were welded in the wrong position?:confused:

    The salesmen didn't push me to a trailer that they thought I needed, I went in with a list of what I wanted and they wrote it up, money was no issue. They assured me this was a HEAVY DUTY trailer designed to last for years of COMMERCIAL use.

    I have dealt with this Kubota/Stihl/Trailer dealer for 10 years. In that time I have purchased 2 tractors, a dozen 3 point hitch implements (bushhogs, rototillers, flail mowers, pto generator etc... etc...) , chain saws, power brooms, leaf blowers, lawn mowers, tools, 3 trailers (not Cam's) and about 20k in parts and service from these guys. They are well aware of my operation and what I have for equipment, as I am there at least once a month buying something. The entire business knows me on a first name bassis, I thought I was part of the "family".

    This is a 7 ton trailer. It was built as a 7 ton trailer, they rated it for 7 tons. I asked and they offered to tag it 9999 to avoid hassles from DOT, as they know I'm not maxing it out and would be hauling it with a 33000lb gvw truck, thus avoiding a need for a class A licensed driver. If you look around and do any trailer shopping you will find this is what trailer manufacturers do to help customers with DOT. I asked for an overkill trailer, they took my money to build me an overkill trailer.

    Like I said before, I could buy a 5 ton Hudson for $2495, I paid $7000 for a Cadillac that would last for years, I don't think anyone will argue that I got a Yugo rather than the Cadillac I was promised. :mad:
     

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  20. nedly05

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    If I was to buy a $7000 trailer I wouldnt buy it thinking "Oh it's just a trailer I'll be happy to get 3 years out of it" That's a pile of BS. Countryboy nailed it with his post, there is nothing complicated about a trailer, it should last and last and last, in the south especially. Our down fall in this part of the country is the salt in the winter. We just had a sales rep come do an appraisal on our '96 Eager Beaver 20 ton, we don't use it in the winter. He was wondering why we wanted to trade it. So if a trailer can go for 11 years and be in that good of condition I would never settle for 3 years especially when the want 13 grand to trade.