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Discussion in 'General Industry Questions' started by AzIron, Jul 16, 2020.

  1. DMiller

    DMiller Senior Member

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    All too many are into the shortcut mode these days, compensating for lack of talent or available talent or the finances to hire the RIGHT Talent to do the jobs right, almost to the very sad state things were decades ago when really followed as had no rules.
     
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    Alot---------------------------A-Lack-Of-Talent
     
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    Nobody wants to pay for talent. They would rather roll the dice and take a chance with lesser experienced people.
     
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    Correct-the boss on the golf coarse spends 9 holes bitching about his hired help then gets pissed a throws his 7 iron in the lake because he misses ALOT-A-Lack-Of-Talent.
     
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  5. AzIron

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    Lack of talent is one thing laziness to do things right and hold high standards starts at the top 8 out of 10 buissness owners are in it for title and clout not because it's there trade dont get me wrong good help doesnt exist right now but if we still had tradesmen it would make a difference
     
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    But a person can grow the talent if he wasn't so lazy also.
     
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    I see it in the age group I am in leaving the trades, those following are Book Smart and technology savvy yet fail to accept lessons already learned of the 'Old Guys and Gals' that have seen the onslaught from hard mechanical to now. Even being out of the trade for over two decades I see uselessness in many shops I have had to deal with from the perspective of a Driver not owner of a truck. Diagnostics is big money where when the machine I was driving was failing I knew it and got it to a shop, Told them what was wrong and was challenged for being mechanically understanding enough to diagnose. Then the A-holes quoted MY diagnosis to the word on their 2.5 hour charge justification and determined the differential needed to come out a DAY LATER after I already informed was TOAST. They later dropped that to a half hour, time to get it in and out of a bay.

    When engine sensors were failed and failing as the Shop I took it to placed it on a Laptop I saw the sensors NOT reading(OOR Hi or Lo) and the tech was ignoring them. Explained to the foreman what I saw and he changed the charges as unwarranted diagnosis time, tech was NEW. Also got offered a Job. Had the machine fixed in less than two days for fried sensors(Owner had a welder fix a cracked bracket on the engine, did NOT disconnect Batteries).

    As Paul noted, people are spending LARGE Coin for absolutely crap work and is the typical any longer. Will destroy the industry if not addressed and the High Roller wannabe's managing these shops will remain wannabe's with no cash just high roller "Alot" failures.
     
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    It's all about the----------Greed.
     
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    I'm thinking of starting a business of bailing out parts changers. my diagnosis fee would be 20% of what they spent before I got there. :D
     
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    Paul I wouldn't say "nobody". Currently we are having a hard time finding general laborers with NO experience who are willing to show up, half ass work and just maybe learn something we are more than willing to teach them along the way. Our starting pay for very green laborers is $5 more per hour (with benefits) than the fast food joints.

    Luckily for our operation we have damn good talent that I've worked with for years which we pay good money because they earn it, day in and day out. We are all around the same age so we're going to ride this until retirement - God help the next generation.
     
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    I don't doubt that for one second. That's the other side of the double edged sword. One side is management wanting to cut costs in the wrong places The other side is employees wanting the big money, but not willing to put in any sweat equity or sacrifice to get that big money.
     
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    But there only a few industries and few businesses that haven't moved their standards back for hiring. Can I Borrow A Mechanic, Welder, Operator and does he do the dishes too.
     
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    About the only move further back can go now is skid row junkies that crap themselves all the time!!
     
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    That reminds me of this story:
    When I was young, the owner of a sand, gravel, Asphalt pavement plant was involved in a half dozen other businesses. He was well known for his wealth. Also, he was well known for his drunken antics.
    He, with friends were owners of a remote deer camp surrounded by National Forest. At some point he came upon a large bulldozer belonging to a logger near the camp. He hotwired, or found a key, and built a mile long road through forest over a weekend. When it was discovered, several people representing Federal property, and the owner of the machine were livid.
    To the best of my knowledge, nothing much ever came of it. Rich people are exempt from the rules governing poor people.
     
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    Talent is worth exactly as much as fart.
    Aptitude is valuable, then skill is developed over time. A kid might be a good mechanic, 20 years later that kid might be great. With the guidance of the right teachers, he or she will be remarkable. God gives aptitude, skill gets earned. There is no substitute.
     
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    I think it makes a difference if the individual actually wants to learn the job and all it entails. I think too many just want the big pay cheque without having to put much effort into learning the job. I know with the lack of people being interested in the trades the apprenticeship board is a lot more lax on requirements to get in and the hours required to become a journeyman.
     
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    Normally I would let that idea go-But after spending my youth growing up around a father that belittled every G@D D*mn thing I did-TALENT is everything. He ran a sign shop and I worked
    in it to help him out, He couldn't stand the fact that I WAS 100 times the freehand sign painter he was or would ever be. Just one damn time he could have said {that's real nice work}.

    Now for the sharp end-Below is my work and I'm real proud of my talent-------------------You Either Have it Or You Don't-simple as that.

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  18. AzIron

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    Men are not lead onto the job by people that no what there doing in this industry as a whole most guys I work around have less than 10 years experience and the vast majority have less than 2 years at that trade

    It's not that they dont work it's that they have no concept of what work is and when the boss man is qualified because he has almost 3 years in it doesnt leave much hope practical trade experiences take a good 5 years to accumulate and more time for experience to teach applied short cuts fixes or efficiency

    But over all look at the leadership of any business today that has more than 15 employees it's not leadership you cant teach what you dont know and you cant apply what you have not experienced yourself we live in a world of highly educated engineers and just as highly educated construction managers but none have trade experience and more so with the management you cant organize a lay down yard for delivery if you have no idea what material is and the volume let alone organize the job and then stack trades on top of eachother with no room to work it's like just cause your computer schedule says you can do it doesnt mean it works

    But they cant lead men and most crew foreman's these days have any ability to inspire people to sharpen there skills some of the best guys I work around are highly competitive and we push eachother and us younger guys push eachother harder it makes us better

    Work will have to slow down before this gets any better the labor market is stretched to thin
     
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    That is really nice. That’s real talent. Anyone can learn mechanics, but that’s a true gift from God. :)
     
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    TS has More talent in one hand than I have in ALL my skills levels, I can make it work, can even see it in my minds eye when completed but his artistic power is a True Gift.